$2 NLHE Full Ring: Button - attack or limp?

In the situation below, would you attack the limper or limp yourself to setmine?

I understand that it is weak to limp and with the PP I have I want to attack the limper, and follow up with a c-bet that will make him fold.

At the same time, I am also aware of the object of setmining, for which you should see the flop as cheap as possible. And my PP are not that good.

So what should I do?
In this hand I raised 4bb and won after a bad flop.
And if this is your suggestion too, then when should I ever setmine? Only with 22-55 or so?

Thanks for your help
(and no, I shouldn't play short stacked - get over it)

dont limp. raise. 88 is a great hand. u cant setmine here. we dont have to hit a set to win the hand at SD

Ok.

Just wondering where people do setmine. I currently only do it from SB or from the button like here with a limper, if I had 22-66 maybe.

If I was in Button and no limper I am currently folding 22-66, I have no idea how to play those?

Raise wide on the BTN. That includes any PP. You'll have position and initiative.

CistaCista said:

Ok. Just wondering where people do setmine.

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Set mining has a few very strict rules.

1. You are very sure that Villain has a strong hand that they will not want to fold on the flop or turn. So basicaly you set mine vs nits or tightish players who raise in EP where their range is the tightest.

2.Stacks have to be deep enough so when you do hit a set and get stacks in it makes up for all the times you dont hit your set. Generaly you want to be gettin 10-15:1 implied odds to call. You cant profitably setmine vs small stacks.

3.You have to give up if you dont if a set. Stick with your plan. You put them on a tight range preflop so dont level yourself into thinking that your 7s are good on a 254r flop and call the flop cbet.

you're not just set-mining here, i would be raising all pocket pairs on the button, and with 88 i would be raising it from MP and onwards id say, sometimes even earlier.

There's many reasons limping is bad, building a big pot when you hit is one of them and your hand strength will be obvious when you hit being another, but id say initiative is the most important reason we dont limp

oh and dont shortstack

woahhhhhh, set mining is never gonna be profitable if you're only playing with 50bb's! get auto top up on and never play without 100bb's

brank said:

Generaly you want to be gettin 10-15:1 implied odds to call. You cant profitably setmine vs small stacks.

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acky100 said:

set mining is never gonna be profitable if you're only playing with 50bb's

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Great headsup all, thanks!

I'd raise a lot of the time there. 85% probably. Depending on villain. And raise 5-6bbs. Attack the limpers!!

And even if he calls, your c bet will work often enough to be profitable.

peskey123 said:

And even if he calls, your c bet will work often enough to be profitable.

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That's what I am doing now, and it works soooo well!

I didn't c-bet in position up til now, because I had read that it doesn't work well on 2NL, but now I will continue to do it against limpers if they check on the flop - they fold like logs so far.

If you're playing with 40bb stack then 'set-mining' isn't generally going to be part of the plan. You want to be deepstacked so that when you do hit your set you will get paid off with it.
If you're currently 10-tabling with 40bb stacks (due to small bankroll), personally I'd rather 5table with 100bb's, paying more attention to players on your tables & looking for spots/villains to get paid off large. If you choose to stick to playin' w 40bb stacks, read up more on SSS (personally I think you'd be way better off to just play less tables with 100bb's on each!).

CistaCista said:

because I had read that it doesn't work well on 2NL, but now I will continue to do it against limpers if they check on the flop - they fold like logs so far.

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Where did you read that??

Tyler69 said:

oh and dont shortstack

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this ^

acky100 said:

woahhhhhh, set mining is never gonna be profitable if you're only playing with 50bb's! get auto top up on and never play without 100bb's

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^ this
I actually play around on micro limits on a couple sites (for fun when not playin' MTTs) & can't stress enough how you should be playin' with 100bb stacks. There are alot of players on those tables who are willing to get it in real bad & you're losing a TON of value by not stacking them off for 200+bb pots.

I would probably raise, however, it would also depend on the action on the table. A pair of eights is a pretty decent hand, however, I've lost on them.