$2 NLHE Full Ring: Big overpair vs god damn quads!

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My question is: after he called my Cbet should I just have port controlled turn? And if he would have bet on turn after my check should I have folded? Obviously on river I would have had called anyhow cos go damn full house! But turn bugs me. Now that I look back at this hand I'm thinking probably should have checked/folded, no?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $3.08
BB: $1.50 (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 28)
UTG: $2.03 (VPIP: 17.34, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 649)
UTG+1: $2.02 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: $1.17 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP+1: $2.38 (VPIP: 11.16, PFR: 7.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 434)
CO: $2.06 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 40)
BTN: $2.00 (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K:club: K:heart:

UTG raises to $0.07, UTG+1 calls $0.07, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.79, 2 players) J:club: J:heart: 8:heart:
Hero bets $0.57, UTG+1 calls $0.57

Turn: ($1.93, 2 players) 3:spade:
Hero bets $1.39, UTG+1 calls $1.10 and is all-in

River: ($4.13, 2 players) K:diamond:

Hero shows K:club: K:heart: (Full House, Kings full of Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
UTG+1 shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Four of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 100%)
UTG+1 wins $3.99
 
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I like the sizing preflop and with the low SPR I feel like you're gonna be getting it in with KK at 2nl. I would not be check folding this.

In the future maybe leave the results out as that will skew the answers you get. Lower SPR I would maybe consider folding to a raise, but the guy was passive and the SPR is around 2. Did he have a high AF?
 
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Nh.

Nothing you can do really. You could possibly check the turn, but you're giving a free river card to flush draws and won't necessarily be bet into by a weaker pocket pair which misses value. Folding is out of the question.
You can't fear the J, and on the river there is only 1 combo of hands that beats you. Unlucky.
 
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I may would have bet something like 0,50 again, to see how he will react. But it is hard to get out of this....on river you will never ever fold to anything
 
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If you don't go broke in this hand, you're bad at poker.

But I'm sure Minh will find a way to call this a fold ;-)
 
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no port control! We shouldn't allow unions to hold our ports hostage!

hehe... nh. You're not c/fing on the turn. So it's a simple question you can just ask yourself in any future spots. If there's less than a pot bet left, is there any reason to check, and if they jam am I ever folding?
 
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Once he calls he has quads c/f turn.
 
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Lol C9, I am not advocating folding this. He can have nut flush draws and some combo draws we are way ahead of ott, and I doubt people at micro stakes fold QQ here. Even QQ higher up will hero call a decent % because they think we're bluffing AK or shoving the nut flush draw, and we have like almost 0 Jx in our range. Even 1010 might hero because they're committed once they call flop. He has a lot of worse hands he can call with, and we are really only beaten by one combo of JJ and maybe a very small % of AJs he called with pre vs UTG AND didn't fold to the large squeeze.

Going broke here and not feeling too bad about it. Hand well played, just a cooler.

Another interesting option to consider be would overbet shoving flop. I've been experimenting with it in some occasional spots where the SPR is low, there's a possible flush draw, and where ranges are pretty clearly defined. I've gotten heroed by A10 (A high) in an SPR of 2.5 by a short-stack, JJ in an SPR of 3 multi-way on an extremely raggy board with almost no set possibilities UTG vs BTN 3-bet pot with a FD, etc. No one at micros is ever folding a heart draw/combo draw here, and QQ is always calling. 1010 calls a decent %, and if he's really fishy, he can have 66-99 in his range and call off too because overbet shoving here just looks so fishy. This isn't something I advocate doing consistently, but with the right dynamics and some creativity, it can be pretty profitable. Just something interesting to think about.
 
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