$2 NLHE Full Ring: Big combo draw on turn vs 2 villains - shove? (2NL micro)

I'm raise in CO to try to isolate a weak EP player but get callers. Both of their stats are vanilla and I haven't seen them play enough hands to get any reads. Turn brings a big 15 out combo draw: nut FD, a well hidden OESD, and I still have an A overcard. I don't know what they might have, but I'm thinking either could be drawing or maybe made a small pair on the flop & didn't want to bet.

My question is: after it's checked to me on the turn, do shove? or just call and hope to make one of my combos on the river.

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NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($2)
BB ($2.02)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($1.03)
UTG+2 ($0.70)
MP1 ($2.05)
Hero ($2.44)
BTN ($1.22)

Dealt to Hero 3 A

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.06

FLOP ($0.27) 6 T 5

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

TURN ($0.27) 6 T 5 4

UTG+2 checks, Hero????

I think checking is probably the best option. I know there it looks like a monster draw, but there are many ways that our outs here are compromised. Anyone with an 8 here that has paired the board and we are about 65% favourite to lose and lose our non heart 7 outs. With an 87 we become an 80% favourite to lose and we have to make a flush to win. 2 clubs where one has paired the board and once again we are 70% to lose. The question we have to ask is does a $1.10 bet (effective as both opponents are short stacked) into 0.30 pot get these kinds of hands to fold when you have shown a complete lack on interest in following your raise through on the flop. Is it worth risking $1.10 for a 0.30 pot when you could easily be a 2 to 1 dog given the kind of hands that a $2 micro type of player may hold.

Personally I would check, hope it is checked behind and be prepared to play the river card on face value.

what you are suggesting is a massive overbet with a hand that has less than an even chance of getting there. even if all your outs would work for you (definitely not certain about the 7s, the T, 7 or 6 of hearts may also be compromised, although less likely), you would have 18 outs out of 42 cards not in the game. just check, possibly call a small bet by the button, see the river card.

Shoving here would be pretty horrible as what do you really expect to get called from and as stated yout outs are not all clean outs necessarily...

takethepain said:

I think checking is probably the best option. I know there it looks like a monster draw, but there are many ways that our outs here are compromised. Anyone with an 8 here that has paired the board and we are about 65% favourite to lose and lose our non heart 7 outs. With an 87 we become an 80% favourite to lose and we have to make a flush to win.

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I'm probably giving micro fish too much credit, but I didn't think they would call a PFR w/ 87. At best someone might have a gutshot, but that would mean they went in w/ like A8, K8 ... or maybe T8s, in which case they're almost certainly not folding. Should I assume a looser range from the villains?

I dont consider the 87 likely, although i have certainly seen micro fish call with any 2 cards.... it was more to demonstrate that it is quite possible that you have outs that are compromised.

Bet this turn 100%

NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($2)
BB ($2.02)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($1.03)
UTG+2 ($0.70)
MP1 ($2.05)
Hero ($2.44)
BTN ($1.22)

Dealt to Hero 3 A

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, fold, Hero folds.

raising pre is fine. might make it 10 or 12c. bet turn 25c

Koool. Thanks.

i would probably chek there...yeah you had a flush,even a straight upcoming(straight flush as well )but you never know...Let's analyze this guy ..your opponent had some good cards i think(such as AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,mby suited because he called your raise too easy)...pocket pair is possible as well but not over ten's,cause he would definitely raise :/...so,i would definitely waited for that river to see what's next

sryImPro said:

i would probably chek there...yeah you had a flush,even a straight upcoming(straight flush as well )but you never know...Let's analyze this guy ..your opponent had some good cards i think(such as AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,mby suited because he called your raise too easy)...pocket pair is possible as well but not over ten's,cause he would definitely raise :/...so,i would definitely waited for that river to see what's next

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ignore this. should be deleted so people trying to learn from this thread don't get confused

Tyler69 said:

ignore this. should be deleted so people trying to learn from this thread don't get confused

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did i say something really badly wrong??:/..if i did please explain to me?..we all are here to learn...

lol@shoving in this spot.

Just bet here and pray for folds or your draw to hit. I might have also cbetted?