$2 NLHE Full Ring: Bet with KK

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I'm struggling to see when to be aggressive. This hand is a good example, I'm not sure if I was too aggressive here or not aggressive enough, and in which points? Was my play too careful or too risky?

SB: $3.51 (175.5 bb)
BB: $2.57 (128.5 bb)
UTG+1: $2 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $2.06 (103 bb)
Hero (MP1): $1.29 (64.5 bb)
MP2: $3.63 (181.5 bb)
MP3: $3.29 (164.5 bb)
CO: $1.53 (76.5 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Kd Kc
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.12, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 7c 6d Jh (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.67) Qs (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50

River: ($1.67) 8c (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.47 and is all-in
 
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Love to know the result? However, not being a cash game player, I think you did well on extracting value from your opponent, but you need to be aware, especially at this level, other players might be playing any two cards.

Did he/ she call your river bet? probably as the money in the middle gives him good odds, but somehow, unless he hit trips on the flop, or had a O.E.S.D on the flop, he would not have bet into you?

I think in general you played the hand well, and he was definitely drawing for something, otherwise to me his initial bet does not make any sense? :dontknow:

I expect you will get far better answers than mine, and I'll be interested to see what the experts think.
 
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I think you did well. I was putting him on a AJ or KJ, but his donk bet can mean 66 or 77 or playing aggressively a SD. What does he have?
 
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Played well by hand! Extracted money as far as possible!
 
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Mostly I'd say you played it fine.
Your stack size and X2 pre flop raise labels you as a beginner. So play with 100bb so that when you do win a hand you get max value out of it.
We have no stats for the opponent, if you have been paying attention you should have some idea of how loose/tight and passive/aggressive he is. Knowing these tenancies is very important to understand what his bets mean.
so he opens from early position and generally this means he has a pair or a decent ace. Once you understand how often someone plays from each position on the table then you can assign an appropriate range of hands.
Generally donking into you on the flop is just really bad here he has no idea what you have.
You must examine the flop carefully every hand. This flop shouldn't hit most players 3bet calling hands. The best hand would be a set which is possible of course but donking out near full pot with sets is just going to fold out a lot of your hands that you might have cbet with. Generally if he had a set a check raise is the better EV line.
Of course if you are playing very tight and he can safely put you on a premium over pair then donking to build the pot knowing that you aren't folding early in the hand is okay.
So you see it all depends on a lot of factors. Aggressive players like to donk lead the flop with their air just hoping you will fold, passive players rarely do this.
It could be that he has Jx here hands like AJ KJ QJ TJ are all possible and probably more likely than sets. But leading out on the flop with any jack hand for value is still pretty dense bearing in mind you have a fair amount of over pairs.
There shouldn't be any 2 pair hands other than an occasional 76s. So now we consider the draws.
89s and JTs are possible but unlikely as most player would fold these hands out of position to a 3bet.
So I'd put him on either just over cards, Jx a set, or 89s in that order of likelyhood.
So the turn is a Q and he check calls. Your turn sizing is pot committing ie too large as really now you have so much money in the pot that you shouldn't be folding hardly ever on the river.
The upside is the quality of the information you get when he calls a turn bet of this size. Now he's telling you he has a good hand maybe one that now beats you. JQ becomes a hand to fear and the sets now all become more likely. He may also have KQ and AQ now if he led out with just overcards.
I'd have bet around 35-40c max on the turn. Enough to charge his draws and keep in his weaker JX and charge his Qx
A good player who can beat AA here would have just put you all in on the turn here knowing that you are pot committed.
The fact that he doesn't raise the turn signifies a little weakness and as this is 2nl I still wouldn't rule out 89s and maybe JTs at a push.
When he checks the river I'd say he has AJ KJ QJ or Qx and still some sets if he is a passive type.
You may as well shove in the rest on the end as he's getting good odds to call and he should call all his Qx. You will be beaten some of the time the trick is not to pot commit yourself on the turn. This is another failure of the stack size you started the hand with.
If you had 100bb it's call flop, just over half pot turn and river folding to any turn or river raise.
 
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Great answer thank you so much, I'll look into that more closely tomorrow when I have time.
 
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I think you could have been a little bit more aggressive at the beginning (Preflop).

What was the result? Did you win?
 
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Figaroo2 I read your feedback again today and first, thank you for taking time to help me with this. How you read the villain here was pretty much what I thought as well when I was playing so I will not comment that, just a few key points that I need to improve.

Mostly I'd say you played it fine.
Your stack size and X2 pre flop raise labels you as a beginner. So play with 100bb so that when you do win a hand you get max value out of it.

Yes I'm a beginner, with a small bankroll at the moment so I feel more in control when I'm not rebuying. Which is obviously stupid. I will check that auto rebuy box from now on. I rarely raise unless I'm the first one before the flop so this is something I need to study.

We have no stats for the opponent, if you have been paying attention you should have some idea of how loose/tight and passive/aggressive he is. Knowing these tenancies is very important to understand what his bets mean.

You caught me here as well. I do take notes on other players on the table, but I had nothing on this one. It's easy to spot maniacs, calling stations and other obvious mistakes but players who don't stand out I need to pay attention to too.

So the turn is a Q and he check calls. Your turn sizing is pot committing ie too large as really now you have so much money in the pot that you shouldn't be folding hardly ever on the river.

Good point here as well, I need to study when to bet and how much.

If you had 100bb it's call flop, just over half pot turn and river folding to any turn or river raise.

Thanks, simple guideline for a hand like this. I have studied semi-bluffing and how to extract value when I have the nuts but situations like this, I'm lost. Very happy I decided to post this hand.
 
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Also people interested to know if I won or not, last time I posted a hand I made a mistake and included the results, which can affect the feedback I get. At this point I got what I wanted from this thread so I'll tell you what happened.

Villain folded to river bet.
 
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Thanks for the link, I'll definitely read those!
 
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analizar

Hola,esta bien jugada la mano,aunque yo preferiria subir mas pre flop.Pero en realidad no tenes una sola manera de jugar esas cartas,creo que lo importante es el analisis que has hecho de los jugadores que tienes en mesa y ahi elegir la mejor manera de jugarlas.
 
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Played fine i guess... i would make that 3bet preflop sizing bigger tho
 
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