$2 NLHE Full Ring: AA vs flop raise

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SB: VPIP/PFR/AF 37/7/1 #30
BB: VPIP/PFR/AF 34/20/4 #44

No Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02
pokerstars
8 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($2.03)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($3.50)
MP - MP ($4.59)
MP2 - MP2 ($2.00)
CO - CO ($1.97)
BTN - BTN ($2.00)
SB - SB ($3.39)
BB - BB ($1.78)

Preflop: ($0.03, 8 players) Hero is UTG with Ad Ac
Hero raises to $0.08, 5 folds, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06

Flop: 5s 3c Tc ($0.24, 3 players - SB: $3.31, BB: $1.70, Hero: $1.95)
SB bets $0.02, BB raises to $0.20, Hero ?

Fold, call or raise? I can see merits for each option.

1) Fold since raises at the micros is very often two pair or better (also pot is multiway), so folding eliminates any risk of losing money in the hand. However against a FLOP raise from a guy with a fairly high AF of 4 folding seems really nitty.

2) Call and reevaluate on turn/river. This allows a chance to potentially get away on a later street on a bad card and/or if BB applies more pressure. However it also prices in the SB and allows both players to draw cheaply (e.g. if BB is semibluffing with flush draw).

3) Raise. This charges the maximum from draws and one pair hands with outs. However it is also the most risky play.

I think it's between calling and raising, which is better?
 
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Also in general when facing flop raises with an overpair, is it ok to use AF=2.5 as the cutoff point of whether or not to get the money in? (Obviously against a guy with AF=0.5 who raises he almost certainly has two pair+, but against AF=10 then he could have anything). What's a reasonable cutoff point to use to save time at the micros in these spots when multi-tabling?
 
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3) Raise and get in
Overpairs in micros are the nuts :)
 
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Raise more here. No need to be afraid of sets
 
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Yup raising is better than either calling or folding. Don't even hesitate to get it in on the turn no matter what card falls. Good spot to get committed here as big blind can have a lot of weak hands here compared to ours.
 
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Thanks for the comments, i did raise (but unfortunately ran into 10-5). Was wondering if any of you could address my second question (posted beneath my original post) about how to react to flop raises in general?
 
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3) Raise and get in
Overpairs in micros are the nuts :)
The problem with this is that it would have to be an overpair to the Ten. Don't you think a player with a PFR of 20 and an AF of 4 would have 3Bet preflop with JJ-AA? I do, in fact I think he might raise with TT, even facing a UTG open.

Against a tight range I think this is a fold, but at .01/.02 it's never that tight. Shove.
 
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I think that this is a raise situation. Especially at this level of play. You want to be in there to win, if it is worth calling it is worth raising and since there is three in the han you want to go against as least amount of players as possible...
 
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Thanks for the comments, i did raise (but unfortunately ran into 10-5). Was wondering if any of you could address my second question (posted beneath my original post) about how to react to flop raises in general?

I think your idea of using AF to judge whether to fold postflop is sound.
As you rightly point out if its low and they are raising then just fold.
Be aware some experts say AG% is a better measure of post flop agg than AF at smaller hand numbers, but to be honest there isn't much to choose between them once you get decent samples

Looks like you just got unlucky in that particular spot, loads of 10x and draws are raising there so getting it in against a guy with an AF of 4 looks right
You still had 30% equity against his 2 pair in any case.
 
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Take caution when your open raise gets flatted when you hold an overpair, most likely small pairs are going to be in trying to flop a set, the fact villain is 34/20 and doesn't auto top up means he's probably pretty bad, this can mean two things, he's either raising with a very strong hand like a set or two pair, or he's got something he may deem super strong like AT KT, going off his stats i'd personally be fine with re-raising flop and trying to play for stacks.
 
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