$2 NLHE Full Ring: ?is a good fold ?

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its a good fold, looks like flush or at least Jx to me
 
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Hi,

Regarding the hand shared, I don't really know if it is a good fold.
First the 3 bet is really low, you should've made it 3.5x instead of just 2x, especially against a 3.5x from UTG!
The Cbet should've been bigger since there's a flush draw.
What I don't like the most is your bet in position on the turn when the heart hits, you should've checked back (not much hands that connect with that board you can get value from), then try to improve on the river... not giving your opponent the chance to check raise you. The decision after his check raise you allowed is not really relevant, I think.
So after checking back on the turn, which I recommend you to do in this kind of spots, you recess on the river :
If you improve you find a way to value, having position it shouldn't be that hard
If you don't, you will have decision when he bets. And he if tries again the check raise move, CHECK BACK AGAIN

Well, that's my opinion... sorry if I am somehow aggressive.


Good luck!
 
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Hi,

Regarding the hand shared, I don't really know if it is a good fold.
First the 3 bet is really low, you should've made it 3.5x instead of just 2x, especially against a 3.5x from UTG!
The Cbet should've been bigger since there's a flush draw.
What I don't like the most is your bet in position on the turn when the heart hits, you should've checked back (not much hands that connect with that board you can get value from), then try to improve on the river... not giving your opponent the chance to check raise you. The decision after his check raise you allowed is not really relevant, I think.
So after checking back on the turn, which I recommend you to do in this kind of spots, you recess on the river :
If you improve you find a way to value, having position it shouldn't be that hard
If you don't, you will have decision when he bets. And he if tries again the check raise move, CHECK BACK AGAIN

Well, that's my opinion... sorry if I am somehow aggressive.


Good luck!
i like your opinion , but i have note for this player "tight" and I have many hands played against , so , i hope that is a good choice :)
 
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I hate the way you played this hand. The mistakes compounded to the point where on the turn the villain didnt even have to look at his own cards, because he was sure the range you were repping was narrow enough for him to take you off of it.


Raise sizing error on the flop, you need to go bigger to extract value, you are holding the BEST POSSIBLE starting hand. At least 3x here.


Betting the flop for you narrows your range down too much. Your opponent can almost play perfectly against you if you bet this.
1: He can fold out all worse hands and only call with better ones
2: He can narrow your perceived 3-betting range further.
3: He can evaluate your sizing


For these reasons I think a check back on this board is the best play. You can disguise your hand, allow your opponent to bluff, and still get two streets of value from a worse hand on later streets.


As played, you bet small on the flop. This sizing tells your opponent EXACTLY what you were thinking "I have a hand but its not always the best "


Sizing to a standard 1/2 pot on the flop or not betting it, would have given much less information away.


As played on the turn you bet 1/3 pot. Why? For the times he called your flop bet, the most obvious draw came in, and he still has a worse hand AND he is still calling you with it? I feel like that is pretty ambitious. You could easily check back here and re evaluate on the river.


Honestly I think I would call in your position, because the way you played the hand looks like it induced him to bluff. Which if you call, is genius. But it puts you in a hard spot, which is why you dont want to play that way.


Disclaimer:


I did not reread this before I hit post, and I edit it like 10 times before pressing "submit." So sorry if some of this is incoherent nonsense lol..




TLDR: This hand is a perfect example of how mistakes can compound and make for REALLY difficult decisions later in the hand. Typically if you make a bet and dont know what to do when the action returns to you, it was a mistake to bet.
 
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Ok so im pretty much ok with what others told You before me, only thing to add would be raise to at leat 25c preflop. Your raise preflop is the most important part of the hand and you did it completly wrong. By just min raising nobody will ever fold ever and they won't even think of 4-betting you since there is so little on the pot and nobody would even think it's worth to bluff to win your money.. and that's bad.
Bet bigger on the flop also.

Actually the turn was funny your opponent pretty much did an even bigger misstake by shoving for sooo much, or maybe not bigger just.. on the opposite direction, you bet too small him too big, i wouldn't put him on any bluffs there, so at least a J. But by the way he played that river with a huge overshove he probably just got excited cause he hit his flush :) so good fold (should have checked back on the turn, you can't beat anything, he would have raised QQ and KK preflop and probably just call You with TT on turn)
 
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Yes, it's a pretty solid fold here.

But bigger 3bet pre.
 
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Hi,

Regarding the hand shared, I don't really know if it is a good fold.
First the 3 bet is really low, you should've made it 3.5x instead of just 2x, especially against a 3.5x from UTG!
The Cbet should've been bigger since there's a flush draw.
What I don't like the most is your bet in position on the turn when the heart hits, you should've checked back (not much hands that connect with that board you can get value from), then try to improve on the river... not giving your opponent the chance to check raise you. The decision after his check raise you allowed is not really relevant, I think.
So after checking back on the turn, which I recommend you to do in this kind of spots, you recess on the river :
If you improve you find a way to value, having position it shouldn't be that hard
If you don't, you will have decision when he bets. And he if tries again the check raise move, CHECK BACK AGAIN

Well, that's my opinion... sorry if I am somehow aggressive.


Good luck!
Well said... Even I felt the same... Also if he has pocket Q or K 's.... With a heart... He would have plates like that... Also I don't know much about villain... So... Anyways we'll played
 
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Good fold against a noted tight player.

I don't mind the pre-flop min 3-bet against tight player but maybe 3-3.5x is better. That really doesn't change much in this hand.


It definitely looks like a J or a flush. It takes discipline to lay down monsters post-flop but will save you in the long run.
 
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