$2 NLHE Full Ring: 68 offsuit,nit caught stealing.

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villains stats for 38 hands . vpip.pfr 5/5
pay attention to how i shoved for an extra 60 cents and he folded when he was obviously commited.
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
BB ($5.05)
UTG ($2.02)
MP1 ($4.92)
MP2 ($1.60)
CO ($8.62)
Hero (Button) ($1.86)
SB ($2)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6
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, 8
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4 folds, Hero bets $0.06, SB raises to $0.13, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.07
Flop: ($0.28) 7
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, 10
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, 3
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18
Turn: ($0.64) 6
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.41, Hero calls $0.41
River: ($1.46) J
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.46, Hero raises to $1.14 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $2.38 | Rake: $0.08
Results below:
Hero had 6
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, 8
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(one pair, sixes).
Outcome: $2.38 returned to Hero
 
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i just convinced myself cause of how nitty he was that he had AK AQ. the flop call was cause of the gutshot,although rather bad, i was running so good i said ok one time. but then his bets were alil too high like he was trying to buy it so on the turn i figured my 6 might have been good.

on the river when i saw that weak a$$ 48 cents i knew i was ahead and shoved for an extra 60 cents.

i think it was a pretty good play. maybe not play but result.
 
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If this was a car crash, it would be a bad car crash.
 
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yea its bad. but doesnt my reasoning make a little sense? the one i posted above?
 
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well despite this being terrible,

you do realize if you have the best hand and your getting no value from worse hands shoving is only a negative EV play right?
 
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Not particularly.

Fold pre, maybe fold flop, fold turn, fold river.

I hope my advice is clear enough.
 
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Carlsberg dont do horrible shoves...
 
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well aparently yea,cause he folded.

Ah ok. You're shoving 4th pair there for value after he triples then, as you feel that hands which not only lose to you but also pay the raise outweigh the hands in his range here that have you beat. The original post was unclear as I thought maybe you were bluffing and I wasn't really sure what you were trying to ask.

I will leave the analysis of the hand to other posters here. Was actually just on my way out the door.
 
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So you're river bluffing a nit who somehow managed to triple barrel with admittedly bad fold equity given river pot size?

Well I like it ? Lol

Seriously though

1. You are not sure you are value betting or bluffing, the six is immaterial if you're bluffing IMO
2. You are way behind Nita's triple barrel range 99 percent of time, if you somehow manage to level to the point you think he has Ak or AQ, just call....he's not gonna call your raise with something that your hand beats
3. You are, even you admitted, bluffing without fold equity
4. stop playing unsuited junk, suited junk is bad but this is just yuck
5. I can't get over the near crash here
6. cheers:)
 
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This is pretty terrible, vinyl.

Pre flop: Opening this against the nit in the blinds is fine. But don't flat when he 3bets, even if it IS small and giving you a better price. You don't have nearly as much implied odds as you think you do.

Flop: Fold. Maybe he just has AK or AQ, but he also has JJ, QQ, KK, AA sometimes. You have a gutshot and backdoor flush draw.

Turn: The fact that you picked up a pair really doesn't change the fact that you should fold here. Your hand has only changed in the sense that you can bluff-catch now, but villain should have VERY few bluffs.

River: If you know he only bets small on the river to bluff, then calling to bluff catch is fine (but seriously you should mostly be folding here). But don't shove. Please, for the love of god do NOT shove. Every better hand in his range calls you, and every worse hand folds. That means you lose your entire bet that is greater than the call the times that he has the nuts here.
 
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C'mon guys, this is a thing of pure beauty :D makes me really feel good about my play ;)
 
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This is pretty terrible, vinyl.

Pre flop: Opening this against the nit in the blinds is fine. But don't flat when he 3bets, even if it IS small and giving you a better price. You don't have nearly as much implied odds as you think you do.

Flop: Fold. Maybe he just has AK or AQ, but he also has JJ, QQ, KK, AA sometimes. You have a gutshot and backdoor flush draw.

Turn: The fact that you picked up a pair really doesn't change the fact that you should fold here. Your hand has only changed in the sense that you can bluff-catch now, but villain should have VERY few bluffs.

River: If you know he only bets small on the river to bluff, then calling to bluff catch is fine (but seriously you should mostly be folding here). But don't shove. Please, for the love of god do NOT shove. Every better hand in his range calls you, and every worse hand folds. That means you lose your entire bet that is greater than the call the times that he has the nuts here.
Omg . your right man. I just realised that my shove is useless. no worse hand is going to call and no better hand is going to fold. But the way i thought of it while i was in the hand was: well if im in this deep,why not just shove and have him call with ak for that extra 60 cents. i thought that he was committed so he'd have to call to see what i had at least.for information maybe. the pots like big already .whats another 60 cents to 3$
 
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So you're river bluffing a nit who somehow managed to triple barrel with admittedly bad fold equity given river pot size?

Well I like it ? Lol

Seriously though

1. You are not sure you are value betting or bluffing, the six is immaterial if you're bluffing IMO
2. You are way behind Nita's triple barrel range 99 percent of time, if you somehow manage to level to the point you think he has Ak or AQ, just call....he's not gonna call your raise with something that your hand beats
3. You are, even you admitted, bluffing without fold equity
4. stop playing unsuited junk, suited junk is bad but this is just yuck
5. I can't get over the near crash here
6. cheers:)
yea man,great advice . yea your right. its not exactly abc poker but sometimes if your a bit lucky things like this work. it was something like a read. the speed of which he reraised pre.the insta flop bet and turn monster bet made it look fishy.

I read somewhere that if you can reason your play then thats good. well i gave reasons above. The only part about it that sucks bigtime from what i have understood is my river shove instead of call right?

is that the cherry on the cake of stupidity?
 
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Just because you can reason your play doesn't mean it's good. This hand has been played badly at every possible opportunity.
 
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Don't worry man, this is a win-win for you.

1. You won the pot
2. You learned what NOT to do :)
 
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Ye this is pretty bad. Against such a huge nit and a tiny 3bet I don't hate the call pre as long as we're never giving action with our pairs and we're just looking to hit a flop hard for a super cheap price.

We never have odds to float the flop, nor the turn and villain is unlikely to fold QQ+ for the price he's getting on the river.
 
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I'd say you got into trouble before the river. I don't like the river shove, there was no value there.

I say good read if you really did think he had just A high.

Did his bet sizes on flop turn and river influence your read?
 
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I'd say you got into trouble before the river. I don't like the river shove, there was no value there.

I say good read if you really did think he had just A high.

Did his bet sizes on flop turn and river influence your read?
yea they did, i think they were a bit too aggressive and also ,its the way he made them. insta clicks. when someones trying to portray alot of confidence but in reality he just wants to get you off the hand.
 
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