$2 NLHE Full Ring: 66 vs limper reraising small bet on river to represent ace.bad line?

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: 66 vs limper reraising small bet on river to represent ace.bad line?

Villain is total unknown just sat down next to me. I take this line sometimes and i would like input as to if it makes any sense? i know my sixes are probably no good so i decide to turn my hand into a bluff on the river.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
SB ($0.67)
BB ($2.05)
UTG ($1.03)
UTG+1 ($1.34)
MP1 ($1.21)
Hero (MP2) ($1.98)
CO ($5.16)
Button ($2.33)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6
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2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.06, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.15) 10
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, 8
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(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08
Turn: ($0.31) 3
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(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks
River: ($0.31) A
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(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.48.
 
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Do you ever fold this if you are villain? Does this line make sense? Let me add that villain had 10s Jc.
 
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His range is weak T's, 8x, QJ, maybe J7 or J9. Weak fish (aka 2nl players) tend to be very straight forward and weak passive. So I doubt villain bets his air, and I don't trust him to fold Tx or even 8x to a small raise. I just fold without a fold to cbet or AFq stat that says otherwise.

By raising, you put him on the right hand, but I think you gave villain too much credit to fold.
 
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He has tonnes of weak hands. Problem is he won't be folding any of them. I check back flop and bet turn if he checks, river is a check back almost always. Just go for one street of value and choose the street where you can get calls from the widest range, which would be the turn as it opens up straight and flush draws.

And isolate larger preflop. I would go 4-5x as standard. Seeing as he is shortstacked you might not want to do that, but from now one vs someone 100BB deep you want to be isolating larger.
 
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Do you ever fold this if you are villain?

If villain was me I'd be raising pre (not that I wouldn't advocate some 2NL players open fold JTo from that position), betting the flop, probably betting the turn, and either bet/folding or check/evaluate otr. All depending on opponent(s) and the situation ofc, but that's likely how it would go a lot of the time, more or less. If you mean I was literally this other player and played/thought exactly like him, then who knows but I'm doubting I would end up folding. Many players at this limit call in a lot of spots they shouldn't and this is especially true on the river. They get to find out what you have without fear of having to face more bets on subsequent streets. Everyone loves a showdown, right :). For that reason I wouldn't end up incorporating such a play much into my overall game plan if I were to build a comprehensive strategy for 2NL.

If I were hero, I'd be raising larger preflop, betting the flop, probably checking behind on that turn card more often than not (betting a few others), and as played I'd just muck when he bets since a call beats precious little and I don't know enough about this player to go all fps with a raise.


Is what what you do here? Fold 66 in the hijack when the action thus far consists of one limper to your immediate right? I'd be interested in some of your FR stats.
 
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If there's one mistake that almost every microstakes player makes, it's overplaying pocket pairs. You have a crap hand with no postflop playability and 4 people left to act and a player in the pot who doesn't even have a full stack. There's basically no point in getting involved here. You're going to have infinitely more postflop flexibility with something like Q8s or J9o or a zillion other hands that some chart says to fold.
 
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Debating it doesn't much interest me since I've had my preflop game ironed out more or less completely for years now and I show a lifetime profit opening all pairs from all positions in 6max play (I know it's not exactly an open here but w/e). I was legit just curious about what your iso range here would be in this spot at 2NL or even what you'd limp if anything, but I don't even know if your advice matches what you yourself would do in this situation (I know that when I post in uNL HH topics it often differs).
 
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I'm pretty sure when I see someone trying to make a 2NL player b/f a river A they are going to make gads of mistakes in other areas when they are drawing to 2 outs at best.
 
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I'm pretty sure when I see someone trying to make a 2NL player b/f a river A they are going to make gads of mistakes in other areas when they are drawing to 2 outs at best.
I agree. it was a horrendous play. Thats exactly the reason that i posted it. was thinking: what the heck am i doing here. your post is very true.
 
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I'm pretty sure when I see someone trying to make a 2NL player b/f a river A they are going to make gads of mistakes in other areas when they are drawing to 2 outs at best.

I do agree that poker players make a lot of mistakes. I don't know that I'd be telling people to fold hands that are profitable when played properly if they ask for help on how to play a hand, but that's neither here nor there. It doesn't appear I'll get a comment on what I was wondering about, and that's fine. Disregard my reply to your "fold pre" remark.
 
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Never folding 6/6 pre here. Also don't bluff at 2nl vinyl, he isn't folding.
 
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well just for informational purposes. he didnt fold and i was sitting there thinking. Why am i such a morron.
 
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Raise more pre. Don't like the cbet on this board or the raise on the river. Whole lotta spew imo.
 
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His range is weak T's, 8x, QJ, maybe J7 or J9. Weak fish (aka 2nl players) tend to be very straight forward and weak passive. So I doubt villain bets his air, and I don't trust him to fold Tx or even 8x to a small raise. I just fold without a fold to cbet or AFq stat that says otherwise.

By raising, you put him on the right hand, but I think you gave villain too much credit to fold.

Ditto
 
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Wouldn't surprise me to see an occasional monster from time to time as well. But ye it's either a blocker bet from something that beats us or a weak preflop holding that's hit hard. Either way I'm folding without any further information even if there the occasional busted straight draws.
 
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