$2 NLHE Full Ring: 33 in multi-way pot for cheap

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP+1): 122.5 BB
CO: 94.5 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 34)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB: 63.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
BB: 31.5 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 34)
UTG: 123 BB (VPIP: 16.54, PFR: 10.24, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 132)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3:heart: 3:club:

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) J:diamond: 3:spade: T:spade:
SB checks, BB bets 1 BB, UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 8 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets 20 BB, UTG calls 20 BB

River: (71 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
UTG bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

UTG shows Q:club: Q:heart: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 14%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 3:heart: 3:club: (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 86%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 82 BB

I think I should have raised the river, but villain was pretty tight and I was worried he had a stronger hand and was just afraid of straight/flush draw hands.

1) Your flop raise is way too small.
2) Raise that river!

Thanks. Could tell there was a lot of lost value. I've begun playing more aggressively but ones like this I get a little bit scared to play still.

Often beat on river im not upset bout river.. but lost value flop which means also turn.

We want to be setting up putting in stacks. When betting low you are restricting

What kind of size?

Flop raising to about 15-17bb is okay. 80-85% PSB on turn, and probably jam river if he checks on this run-out or does that blocking bet. Fold if he donk shoves river.

As played, raise the river to something like 20-25bb; let him make a crying call . He's probably not calling anything bigger. And if he 3-bet jams over our raise we're probably folding, even given the sick price. He's not doing a blocking bet OTR with AA/KK/QQ/AJs and then going crazy when we raise the river with a flush/straight possibility out there.

Aces2w1n said:

Often beat on river im not upset bout river.. but lost value flop which means also turn.

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The donk was less than one tenth of the pot. Not raising this hand on the river (or betting rather since he essentially checked) is no small blunder. We're also very unlikely to be 2nd best here for a number of reasons, and fish (as villain appears to be) are prone to paying off bet/raises OTR.

In fairness (and this is the actual reason I replied), it's certainly true that sizing mistakes on the flop are compounded by subsequent streets. The point deserves some emphasis.

What would you have done had he checked the river? Because that is what you should do when someone makes that small of a blocker bet. Just assume it didn't happen unless you have history with a player and a read on his blocker bets.

I think in the moment, I would've checked due to being scared of all the draws that had hit by that point. However I agree should probably be betting that as he was playing extremely passively and that 7bb bet was basically a sign of weakness. So 3bet on the flop should be larger than pot and then a raise on the river, happy to be stacking off when he's not really playing back at me.

On a JT3 board with 2 spades, you want to be very scared of draws. There are so many combinations of draws that people could have (QK, AK, AQ, 98, 97, 87 or any 2 spades). Because of this, you need to make a big flop raise to something like 15bb. The turn completes some draws but not others, so once again, I'd like to see a bigger bet (somewhere between 25bb and 30bb) for both value and protection.

As a general rule: the more draw-heavy the flop/turn is, the more you want to bet/raise for both value and protection.