$2 NLHE Full Ring: $2 NLHE FR: Middle Set On A Wet Flop

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I apologize for the format, this was on BetOnline so I had to manually type this up.

Hero is in the SB w/ :9h4: :9c4: ($2 Effective Stack)

UTG+1 (Villain): Raises to $.06
UTG+2: Calls
BTN: Calls
SB (Hero): Calls

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Flop: Ad :9d4: :6s4: ($.25)
Hero checks, Villain bets $.10, UTG+2 folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $.31, Villain calls.

Turn: :8d4: ($.84)
Hero checks, Villain checks

River: :2h4: ($.84)
Hero bets $.67, Villain calls

Final Pot: ($2.10)
Hero Shows :9h4: :9c4:, Villain Shows :ac4: :kd4:
Hero Wins

1) How do you like the flat pre-flop? I feel like if we 3b then we are turning our hand into a bluff and playing a bloated pot OOP. Do we mind having 3 other people in the pot with this hand? If we don't 3b, are we just playing to set mine and x/f when we don't hit?

2) On the flop, I decided to check/raise to get value from Ax, flush draws and straight draws. My intention was to barrel most turn cards to continue getting value from these hands. Would a check/call be better? If so, I'm assuming we are checking the turn which then gives him the option to check back.
As played, what do we do if he re-raises to something like $1?

3) On the turn, one of the worst cards in the deck come out for us which stops my plan of betting. Should we just continue betting this scare card? If so, what happens if he raises us?
As played, what do we do if he bets something like 2/3 pot instead of checking back? And how does that affect our river action if we call and don't boat up?

4) After he checks back the turn I'm fairly confident he has Ax and that we're good here on the river. How is my bet sizing here though? Looking back, I think he's calling any bet with Ax which means I missed about 5-7 BBs of value not betting closer to pot.
I don't think a check is good if I put him on Ax but I suppose it's much better if he instead had the straight or flush. Maybe just x/c the river is better then? (However, we miss value from Ax which I feel is the large majority of his range after he checks back the Turn)
As played, what do we do if he raises us on the river? Fold?
 
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first of all do not call with 99, he either has a monster hand or weak Ace or small. reraise o you can narrow the possibilities.
what a nice flop for you. I would bet big on flop. hoping he has connected the ace.do not give a free card with lots of draws on board.
slow it down on tun and river. check call.
 
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first of all do not call with 99, he either has a monster hand or weak Ace or small. reraise o you can narrow the possibilities.
what a nice flop for you. I would bet big on flop. hoping he has connected the ace.do not give a free card with lots of draws on board.
slow it down on tun and river. check call.

saw the final result just now. you played the hand risky. there lot of people who call a raise with T7 or 57.
 
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first of all do not call with 99, he either has a monster hand or weak Ace or small.

Just want to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying I should fold 99 pre-flop? Or at least 3bet as a bluff instead of calling?
If so, do you think it's bad to call with the intention of set mining and X/F if we don't hit?
 
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Std hand... I guess at this level you can CR this flop, but you should CR a little more.

Bet the turn. If you CR, the turn is going to be checked far too often. As played river sizing is ok.
 
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Raise higher on the flop.

Once that other diamond comes out sure we can be crushed but it also helps drawing hands get sticky and WE MUST BET TURN.

I'd bet turn and half pot river... main issues was not betting turn. We lost value
 
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Yeah what John says +1. Also you need to analyze villains, there is not just 99, there is villain+99 combo.

1) Correct all you wrote. When multi-way pot you mostly just set mine, but 99 has still value to win it while being top pair.
2) You just basically always bet for value in 2NL also practically always you get the money in with set if a chance (any level).
3) This is spot I have personal trouble, I know that hero should value bet still but it’s hard sometimes.
4) I think your bet size was fair given that mostly on these spots at 2NL you see a naked and weak A that actually should fold earlier.
 
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Just want to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying I should fold 99 pre-flop? Or at least 3bet as a bluff instead of calling?
If so, do you think it's bad to call with the intention of set mining and X/F if we don't hit?

this is how I play. 3bet to 0.20. this is not a bluff you have a good hand. make it heads up. if he 4bets, depends on your read and his stats, put him on a rang. like JJ+. in this case i would fold pre.
if he calls the 3bet you know that he is probably afraid of something. like he is holding KK and afraid of Ace on flop.
the possibility of hitting a set on flop is around %12. not a good risk especially when you are letting other players to stay in hand. As I said lots of players call the raise with T7 and 57.especially in 0.01/0.02 games. there is also a flush draw on flop. and hits on turn. you got paid this time but that does not happen all the times.
 
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I have yet to see a book/tutorial that suggest 99 is good hand to 3bet except BB vs SB.

I would guess it’s because if called we are completely clueless in a big pot. Villain will call broadways and higher pairs, and if flop is Axx, Kxx, Qxx, Jxx, Txx we are annoyed. Let say flop is 266 we CB villain calls or raises, what is our plan? Hero needs to be really skillful player to survive if 3bet is called.

(There is also theoretical take that if we get 4betted we need to fold and that is wasting good 99. But this is not very relevant imo in micros, because lack of 4bets. Still those 4bet hands would give you the whole stack had you seen the flop and setted up)

Any reasonable strategy works against super fishes, but the aim should be climbing up towards better players.

Tarzan, John A is poker teacher of high quality.
 
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