$2 NLHE Full Ring: $2 NLHE Full Ring: $2 NLHE Full Ring: Going All in KK against tight players

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: $2 NLHE Full Ring: $2 NLHE Full Ring: Going All in KK against tight players

Hey everyone, heres the hand:

Hero holds KK

Folds to Hero at UTG+1, raises to 4BB
Folds to BB (29/1/1), villain goes all-in
Hero Calls
Villain holds AA

Board comes 6h 5s 4h 6c Qd

Was this a misplay? Villains stats are tight but its hard for me to get away from KK preflop, should I be folding KK against pushes from villains with stats like above? Seems very obvious in hindsight, but ive seen it argued both ways.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Hope this isnt a dumb question! relatively new on this site.

Quantum
 
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No. This hand was not misplayed. Short answer is, you should never be folding KK preflop in micro stakes. In over a decade, I think I have folded KK preflop one time. It was 100NL and I knew my opponent inside and out. You should really be playing your KK the exact same way you would play AA preflop. Even against your very tight opponents you should still be happy to get it in preflop. If you assume that your tight opponent will only move all in with AKs, QQ, KK, AA.....you will win about 56% of the time. If you include AKo, AQs, and JJ in the villain's all in range, you will win about 63% of the time. Therefore, unless you are POSITIVE that you are up against AA, moving all in with KK preflop will always be profitable in the long run. Like you said, there are some VERY RARE spots where an argument could be made for folding KK, such as being super deep stacked, but these arguments can safely be ignored in micro stakes ring games lol.

Good Luck.
 
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Woah this is a pretty sick hand. What were the stack sizes and hand sample???? When a mega nit with a 1 PFR and 1% 3-bet shoves over your UTG+1 4x raise, alarm bells should be going off. Nobody plays AK/QQ like this, and to me this looks like a jam that wants to look like a bluff. I'd say this is 100% KK/AA from a mega nit like him. Much more likely to be AA though, not just from the fact that we block the other KK super hard.

I have never folded KK pre-flop in my life because I play 6-max readless. But in this rare situation I think we can find a fold.
 
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Woah this is a pretty sick hand. What were the stack sizes and hand sample???? When a mega nit with a 1 PFR and 1% 3-bet shoves over your UTG+1 4x raise, alarm bells should be going off. Nobody plays AK/QQ like this, and to me this looks like a jam that wants to look like a bluff. I'd say this is 100% KK/AA from a mega nit like him. Much more likely to be AA though, not just from the fact that we block the other KK super hard.

I have never folded KK pre-flop in my life because I play 6-max readless. But in this rare situation I think we can find a fold.

I would agree about the 1% PFR/3BET, but we don't know how many hands this sample is. It might only be 8 hands. I also highly doubt someone with a VPIP of 30% is a mega nit.
 
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Since its a $2 game, I definitely call here.

Its different if its mid- high stake where Ill be putting all my buyin on the line.

Agree, in the long run, its profitable.
 
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I'm always stacking off KK for 150bb or less, regardless of how nitty the villain is. If I have between 150bb and 250bb, then I will sometimes fold to a 4bet or turn my KK into a set-mining pair if I think that the villain is a nit. If I have 250bb+, then I'll usually flat-call a 4bet with KK, or I'll make a 4bet and fold to a 5bet.
 
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One of the reasons I called was indeed because it was only a 38 hand sample size. Still offput by the 1% PFR I knew this is a low sample size.

In the future im going to be calling these bets with KK, should be +ev
 
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I had a very similar situation once, though I think it was in a tournament. I opened and a guy who I had 48 hands with stats something like 10/1 3 bet shoved. I knew what it likely was but I couldn't bring myself to fold. I called, he showed AA and knocked me out :)
 
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Folding KK pre flop is almost always a mistake. If you are very deep stacked, then you can make a case for folding in very very very rare cases.

I disagree with one responder saying it doesn't matter if it's 2NL. If you are looking solely like BBs, then you play it like it's 200NL or whatever level you play at. Yes, I understand that people at 2NL are at a much lower, thinking, skill level, however.... I doubt this play is ever "used" at 200NL.... shoving AA... ppl at the low level may call with KK, QQ, AK, AQ.... so that in itself, makes it even more of a lean to fold...
 
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This is actually happening more lately... its more the fact villain is scared playing postflop just figures thisnis the best way... most times we fold other hands and sometimes get our k... in long term we benifit from their bad play
 
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just saying the same as everyone. don't fold KK pre. this villain isnt really a nit btw. He is more fishy weak. and yeah you only have 36 hands, but i bet he ends up being 30/5 or something. You'll end up making money off these villains.
 
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No. This hand was not misplayed. Short answer is, you should never be folding KK preflop in micro stakes. In over a decade, I think I have folded KK preflop one time...

I agree. It is such a rare occurrence when folding KK pre in micro stakes game that I think you have to man up and pay to see the aces.
 
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UTG raises 3BB and next guy 9BB and we raise 27BB .... UTG shoves allin... we have KK and we need 90BB to call and UTG is 14/12/3 reg that is vpip/pfr/3bet

The games changed somewhat... and people aren't as courageous with QQ as they were in the past. Micro grinders aren't creative beasts or inventive.
 
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