$2 NLHE 6-max: Zoom: 3bet bluff gone wrong, river trips and facing 3barrel

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/10/3.4

Villain NIT TAG REG: Fold to 3bet ¾, Agression 4.7

River is fold?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
Hero (SB): 197 BB
BB: 113 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 198.5 BB (VPIP: 17.28, PFR: 8.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 84)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♥ A♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 6♠ A♠ 4♦
Hero checks, CO bets 13.5 BB, Hero calls 13.5 BB

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, CO bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (96 BB, 2 players) A♥
Hero checks, CO bets 61.5 BB

Hard as it is to let this one go, I think you should fold here. Villain seems rather tight and I think you may have gotten out of line raising your hand from the SB out of position (though to be fair I can't see how he was playing). If he fired 2 and got called twice, got to assume he knows you have a weak ace and he probably has you beat. BTW why no C-bet on the flop to see where you were? Might have given you more info on whether he has a good ace or is just playing position.

My idea for not Cbetting was that because of his nitty nature, he just folds everything I beat. Do you still think it’s better to Cbet?

I don't think it's profitable to bluff 3bet this guy ever and especially not OOP. Once we do I don't mind ch/calling once but when he bets again on the turn I think you have to fold.

Only had 84 hands on the villain, but I wouldn't be 3betting OOP to a player that nitty a PFR range. If you do play the 3bet, I see nothing wrong with a cbet. Winning 11BB uncontested is never a bad thing and the cbet let's you know where you are. With 2 spades on the board, you don't want to be giving flush draws a free card and a chance to hit. With the triple barrel, I'd put him on ace with a good kicker. Are you planning on posting the outcome? I'd be interested to know

I did fold, but I felt bad because his aggression factor is so high and betting frequency too high.

The reason I bluffed was because I was blocking an ace. I was hoping that him being nittish would make it easy to him to fold even more than normally.

He most likely opens around 22% of hands.
So he will 3bet: AA, KK, Call: QQ,JJ,TT,AK,AQ,AJ,KQs,QJs -> that is 74 combos, but by taking A out we get 56 hands only him to call or 3bet.

That is he should fold: 56/292 = 80% of the time

Is there any practical and usable logic fitting to this case above?

braveslice said:

The reason I bluffed was because I was blocking an ace.

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Do you understand how minimal this effect is, and how it's totally offset by the fact that you lose money in spots like this postflop where you go too far with a dominated hand?

c9h13no3 said:

Do you understand how minimal this effect is, and how it's totally offset by the fact that you lose money in spots like this postflop where you go too far with a dominated hand?

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I completely agree with this analysis. Not to mention the fact that you are out of position the whole way, I think that's more important. If you were to three bet this in position it would be another story, but you are making your decisions way too hard by playing this from the small blind. I agree that I would've let this go on the flop or the turn so you wouldn't face a tough choice on the river. Not to mention you would save yourself a lot of bets

c9h13no3 said:

Do you understand how minimal this effect is, and how it's totally offset by the fact that you lose money in spots like this postflop where you go too far with a dominated hand?

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Well I did try to count it post above your comment. 5% it seems.

ThanJay said:

I completely agree with this analysis. Not to mention the fact that you are out of position the whole way, I think that's more important. If you were to three bet this in position it would be another story, but you are making your decisions way too hard by playing this from the small blind. I agree that I would've let this go on the flop or the turn so you wouldn't face a tough choice on the river. Not to mention you would save yourself a lot of bets

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My 3bet is around 5% so I don’t think this to be too often my mistake. So I would just skip this part here. I might do this mistake only once in 10 000 hand or so =)

Not attacking your play at all. And if you make the mistake that infrequently, then it's not a big leak for you. Keep up the good work!

No worries mate, thank you for your input. It’s good to have every aspect of one’s game commented.

A8o is a pretty meh hand to 3 bet bluff pre with.

AP I have a very hard time folding this river once we x/call all streets. I'm a station though

Fold turn

Steal attempt pre failed... need to giveup these hands

Personally, too if you are going to three bet with a marginal hand, better to do it with suited connectors because you can hit big and your hand will be disguised by your three bet, also you can milk aggressive players who blanked on the flop but think you did too because of a non-threatening board, also, you can get away from mid pairs if someone really puts the heat on you. A-rag hands are just too tough to get away from in those situations, especially if you make trips on the river

We never 3-bet A8 from the blinds, EVER. In position maybe, 3-bet bluff w/A8, but not OOP. I wouldn't 3-bet bluff anything less than AT OOP. And yes I call AT a bluff, AT is crap. Especially against a tight villain. I wouldn't have even called here pre. If the villain was loose I would call, but never 3-bet bluff A8. What happened to you is exactly what you get when you do. This is an example of why we don't. AJ+ in this scenario happily bet, bet, bet all the way through to the river. CO's calling range is any Ax. I know villain has A9+ in this hand.