£2 NLHE 6-max: Why is this player donk-betting the river?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 61/32/44

Forgive me if I've used the term donk-betting incorrectly there.

Stats are over 167 hands so you can see he raises quite frequently and is invovled in a lot of pots. Obviously I really wasn't putting him on much because of this. As with almost all fish he check called me flop and turn but then on the river he bet into me. Was he trying to represent a flush?

Definitely in his range to have any two suited there but I wasn't believing it and called so I know what he had but I'm curious as to what others think he's doing this with and why? I'd like to try and understand his thought process and what I'm supposed to be thinking myself generally in this spot?

As I'm typing this out it's almost 2am and I'm tired so my mind's not functioning properly - not sure if posting his hand would help or not so please let me know if it's better to post it. Cheers guys.

IPoker Network $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2023829
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Player1 (BTN): $5.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 5, 3B: 2, AF: 1.3, Hands: 504
Player3 (SB): $1.82 - VPIP: 51, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: 3.3, Hands: 185
Player5 (BB): $1.95 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 33
Player8 (UTG): $5.80 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 31, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 167
Hero (CO): $6.64 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 41052

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :spade: K :club:
Player8 raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, 3 folds, Player8 calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39) T :heart: 8 :club: K :diamond: (2 players)
Player8 checks, Hero bets $0.29, Player8 calls $0.29

Turn: ($0.97) 2 :heart: (2 players)
Player8 checks, Hero bets $0.68, Player8 calls $0.68

River: ($2.33) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Player8 bets $1.04, Hero calls $1.04
 
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fish can do this with all sorts, flushes, air repping flushes i've seen plenty of times, sets ive seen, and also weird pair hands and two pairs. If we were deeper i might fold but $1 into $2.30 yeah i just call also
 
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Exactly what I was about to say ^^
 
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I'm min raising the river. Small bets like this will often be blocker bets with mediocre hands. I doubt anything in this guy's value range ever folds to our min raise.

I also bet bigger on every street as villains atrocious.
 
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Hmm thats an interesting idea ^ are we not just being a bit too greedy for value tho? I dont think were good quite enough to make it massively profitable. Not saying its -EV just that I dont think its ++EV. You'll obviously prove me wrong in your next post tho :D
 
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Just noticed the flush (im on my phone so the suits don't come out). It doesn't change my decision, generally we don't need to worry about back door flushes as much as flopped flush draws as even villains this fishy wont have many naked flush draws, most his flush draws will need to be paired or straight flush draws. A villain this fishy is considerably more likely to hold back door flushes but his sizing looks more like a pair that's scared of a big bet, I'd be more inclined to flat if he potted the river.
 
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Hmm thats an interesting idea ^ are we not just being a bit too greedy for value tho? I dont think were good quite enough to make it massively profitable. Not saying its -EV just that I dont think its ++EV. You'll obviously prove me wrong in your next post tho :D


Can't be too greedy where 60vpip droolers are concerned imo :p.

Naturally I'm expecting johnny to post that villain had a flush as he posted this hand but I think it's the right play regardless of results.
 
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Can't be too greedy where 60vpip droolers are concerned imo :p.

Naturally I'm expecting johnny to post that villain had a flush as he posted this hand but I think it's the right play regardless of results.

The player actually had KsJd so I had him crushed all along. I was just curious as to people's thoughts on why he would be take this course of action on the river.
 
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In my experience, fish tend to get pretty aggro on the river for some reason which might explain the donk bet. I prefer raising more pre and potting both flop and turn fwiw
 
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The player actually had KsJd so I had him crushed all along. I was just curious as to people's thoughts on why he would be take this course of action on the river.
Fish can be far from rational in their play, which is one of the reasons they're fish. In this case, his river bet may have been an attempt to get to showdown for less than the amount he thought he'd have to call if he checked again and left you open to decide how much to bet. Also, if you raise, he can fold and lose less than if he check-calls. However, he does open himself up to the possibility he'll fold the better hand to a check-raise bluff, but that's not a very common play.
 
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In my experience, fish tend to get pretty aggro on the river for some reason which might explain the donk bet. I prefer raising more pre and potting both flop and turn fwiw
If we pot both flop and turn on A dry boards arent we just polerizing our range? Sorry if this is wrong but I am trying to think deeper and its helping my game.
 
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If we pot both flop and turn on A dry boards arent we just polerizing our range? Sorry if this is wrong but I am trying to think deeper and its helping my game.

doesn't matter its 2nl and most of the time if the fish calls a bet on the flop his range is normally inelastic.

fish don't know what polarised means, we just bomb it with the nuts and they call all the time.. so pot pot seems ok, I prob flat river.
 
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If we pot both flop and turn on A dry boards arent we just polerizing our range? Sorry if this is wrong but I am trying to think deeper and its helping my game.

Made me laugh :D You do realise these fish have only just learnt hand rankings!
 
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