$2 NLHE 6-max: what mistakes did i make in this hand

pokerstars Hand #210301999552: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/03/18 19:04:34 WET [2020/03/18 15:04:34 ET]
Table 'Aitne VIII' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: EvgVAG ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 4: Harold2O ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: aro davila ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 6: denny179 ($2.17 in chips)
denny179: posts small blind $0.01
EvgVAG: posts big blind $0.02
dukechipe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to denny179 [Td 7d]
Ramonsaransk: folds
Harold2O: raises $0.04 to $0.06
aro davila: calls $0.06
denny179: calls $0.05
EvgVAG: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Tc]
denny179: checks
Harold2O: bets $0.10
aro davila: calls $0.10
denny179: raises $0.26 to $0.36
Harold2O: calls $0.26
aro davila: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Tc] [Kc]
denny179: bets $0.62
Harold2O: raises $0.96 to $1.58 and is all-in
aro davila: folds
denny179: calls $0.96
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Tc Kc] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
denny179: shows [Td 7d] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Harold2O: shows [9c Qc] (a pair of Kings)
denny179 collected $4.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.44 | Rake $0.16
Board [7s 8h Tc Kc Ks]
Seat 1: EvgVAG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Harold2O showed [9c Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: aro davila (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: denny179 (small blind) showed [Td 7d] and won ($4.28) with two pair, Kings and Tens





hi guys how else should I of played this hand? I think a fold pre would be the first problem, but curious to see how better players would of played the hand

had no reads or anything

Jd179 said:

PokerStars Hand #210301999552: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/03/18 19:04:34 WET [2020/03/18 15:04:34 ET]
Table 'Aitne VIII' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: EvgVAG ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 4: Harold2O ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: aro davila ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 6: denny179 ($2.17 in chips)
denny179: posts small blind $0.01
EvgVAG: posts big blind $0.02
dukechipe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to denny179 [Td 7d]
Ramonsaransk: folds
Harold2O: raises $0.04 to $0.06
aro davila: calls $0.06
denny179: calls $0.05
EvgVAG: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Tc]
denny179: checks
Harold2O: bets $0.10
aro davila: calls $0.10
denny179: raises $0.26 to $0.36
Harold2O: calls $0.26
aro davila: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Tc] K♣
denny179: bets $0.62
Harold2O: raises $0.96 to $1.58 and is all-in
aro davila: folds
denny179: calls $0.96
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Tc Kc] K♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
denny179: shows [Td 7d] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Harold2O: shows [9c Qc] (a pair of Kings)
denny179 collected $4.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.44 | Rake $0.16
Board [7s 8h Tc Kc Ks]
Seat 1: EvgVAG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Harold2O showed [9c Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: aro davila (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: denny179 (small blind) showed [Td 7d] and won ($4.28) with two pair, Kings and Tens





hi guys how else should I of played this hand? I think a fold pre would be the first problem, but curious to see how better players would of played the hand

had no reads or anything

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Hey JD,


Please take a look at this link, especially at point 3.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...0/cash-game-hand-analysis-read-before-174514/

They way the hand is posted rn makes it rellay difficult to read.

Jd179 said:

PokerStars Hand #210301999552: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/03/18 19:04:34 WET [2020/03/18 15:04:34 ET]
Table 'Aitne VIII' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: EvgVAG ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 4: Harold2O ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: aro davila ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 6: denny179 ($2.17 in chips)
denny179: posts small blind $0.01
EvgVAG: posts big blind $0.02
dukechipe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to denny179 [Td 7d]
Ramonsaransk: folds
Harold2O: raises $0.04 to $0.06
aro davila: calls $0.06
denny179: calls $0.05
EvgVAG: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Tc]
denny179: checks
Harold2O: bets $0.10
aro davila: calls $0.10
denny179: raises $0.26 to $0.36
Harold2O: calls $0.26
aro davila: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Tc] K♣
denny179: bets $0.62
Harold2O: raises $0.96 to $1.58 and is all-in
aro davila: folds
denny179: calls $0.96
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Tc Kc] K♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
denny179: shows [Td 7d] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Harold2O: shows [9c Qc] (a pair of Kings)
denny179 collected $4.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.44 | Rake $0.16
Board [7s 8h Tc Kc Ks]
Seat 1: EvgVAG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Harold2O showed [9c Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: aro davila (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: denny179 (small blind) showed [Td 7d] and won ($4.28) with two pair, Kings and Tens





hi guys how else should I of played this hand? I think a fold pre would be the first problem, but curious to see how better players would of played the hand

had no reads or anything

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Thank U 4 Posting

The call preflop is fine if you are good at OOP play and your villains are weak.

However your flop check raise sizing suggests that you have an OOP weakness.

The pot is 30 before you check raise to 36 total that means 26 to win 92. the second player is getting 26 to win 118.
That is not a good sizing OOP vs 2 players on that board with your hand.

As you saw you were called by a gut shot. If gut shots are going to call we have to make them pay.
That hand on that board wants to get one caller not 2.

Luckily everything went your way but that does not make your check raise size correct.

Also if we are being chased on the flop there are many turn cards that the weaker hands will just fold and you won a smaller pot than you could have.

Hope this helps.

Honestly didn’t even think about my 3 bet sizing normally I’d raise it 3x oop vs one, I’ve never thought about making it bigger vs 2 thank you il keep that in mind what sizing would you go for?

Preflop:

Fold. You play oop and without initiative in multipot.

Flop:

You have two pairs and played check/raise is good, but betsize very small, you took opponents good pot odds, they never fold with gutshot or pair

Turn:

Ok

Preflop
Just fold. You dont have to play many hands from SB, when someone else has already entered the pot, and T7s is certainly not one of them.

Flop
This is kind of close between check-calling and check-raising, and even leading could be an option. I am kind of leaning towards not check-raising, because while your hand is strong, its not exactly the nuts. A made straight is already possible, and a lot of time there will be a 1-liner to the straight, when we get to the river, and then your two pair pretty much goes up in smoke. So I am not completely into building a huge pot here.

Turn
As played nothing else to do here than bet-call, and luckily this time he was bluffing away his stack with a draw, and he did not get there.

Jd179 said:

Honestly didn’t even think about my 3 bet sizing normally I’d raise it 3x oop vs one, I’ve never thought about making it bigger vs 2 thank you il keep that in mind what sizing would you go for?

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Thank U 4 Responding.

This is where we must be math fluent to determine, if we are check raising, what is the size that makes our villains calls a significant mistake.

Let us take the V that had the Q9. This is a simple not full example.

On the flop they have 20.8% equity vs your hand.
They are getting 118/26 4.5 to 1 for an immediate call. That is not a mistake at all.
If they hit their hand they need only have to have you call 1 bet of 36 to have made the correct call on the flop. How likely are you to fold when the 8 hits?
If they do not improve on the turn they can easily fold and have made at most a minor mistake

As I stated this is a simple evaluation but it helps us understand why pros in your spot recommend 4x or greater for that check raise.

As fundiver stated this is actually an ugly spot for us. So we either keep the pot small or if not, take it down early if we can. We must think about reverse implied odds here.
Make sure you read fundivers recommendations, they are good.

If you choose to check raise you must have a solid plan and good villain reads and use sizing that defines our villains hands as well as possible and has them making significant mistakes on that street.

Working on the math of this spot will be very beneficial so you may wish to make that your homework for this week.

Hope this helps

Fold from the SB

Jd179 said:

PokerStars Hand #210301999552: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/03/18 19:04:34 WET [2020/03/18 15:04:34 ET]
Table 'Aitne VIII' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: EvgVAG ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 4: Harold2O ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: aro davila ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 6: denny179 ($2.17 in chips)
denny179: posts small blind $0.01
EvgVAG: posts big blind $0.02
dukechipe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to denny179 [Td 7d]
Ramonsaransk: folds
Harold2O: raises $0.04 to $0.06
aro davila: calls $0.06
denny179: calls $0.05
EvgVAG: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Tc]
denny179: checks
Harold2O: bets $0.10
aro davila: calls $0.10
denny179: raises $0.26 to $0.36
Harold2O: calls $0.26
aro davila: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Tc] K♣
denny179: bets $0.62
Harold2O: raises $0.96 to $1.58 and is all-in
aro davila: folds
denny179: calls $0.96
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Tc Kc] K♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
denny179: shows [Td 7d] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Harold2O: shows [9c Qc] (a pair of Kings)
denny179 collected $4.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.44 | Rake $0.16
Board [7s 8h Tc Kc Ks]
Seat 1: EvgVAG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Harold2O showed [9c Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: aro davila (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: denny179 (small blind) showed [Td 7d] and won ($4.28) with two pair, Kings and Tens





hi guys how else should I of played this hand? I think a fold pre would be the first problem, but curious to see how better players would of played the hand

had no reads or anything

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Hello there Jd179, thank you very much for sharing this amazing hand with the CardsChat community.

The Preflop Mistake

CO raises 3x, BTN calls and we are in the SB with T7s. I am never calling here. When I say never I mean 100% of times I am either folding (90% of times) or Squeezing (10% of times).
This is a possible spot for Squeezing for bluff, since CO is the only real concern when we Squeeze preflop here. BTN could have anything here and it will fold a lot to Squeeze. BTN is calling for odds, given CO's range is dynamic and that SB and BB can also enter the pot, increasing BTN's implied odds IP.

The Flop Action

The Flop is very good for everyone's range and CO 1/2 pots, BTN calls and you elect to raise your two pair here, which is okay, but I believe the sizing is not scary and many hands would continue here. You bet less than pot, giving good odds for both CO and BTN to continue paying with a bunch of whatever. If this was your decision/intention rethink your overall postflop gameplan, please.
IMO, given that we need some protection here we could go for 150% to 200% pot depending on Villains ready to stack on any turn that it is a brick for Villain's range and good for us. We are not happy when it comes 6x, Jx, 9x on the turn, but instead, some Qx, Kx or Ax are very good cards for our range, since we didn't 3-bet preflop we don't have these hands, but is very possible that both CO and BTN have Qx, Kx and Ax and get sticky to it, which is awesome for us.
Well, you gave a good price and both CO and BTN call.
Everything in poker has both sides: raising small here OTF, allows you to fold some bad turns when the action becomes too weird. There is no right or wrong about poker, we must feel what we think is the best action for that specific moment.

The Turn Action

Given that this King of Clubs is usually best to Villain's range than ours we could be checking against some TAG 'ish' Bet vs missed c-bet type. But this is not so optimal as betting Turn again for value, because now both CO and BTN have more draws to continue paying and go for a huge fair price or even jam, given the size of the pot, and at least one of the adversaries are going to have real problem folding their OESDs, FDs, SDs, Kx, (AA, QQ), etc.
Your bet on the turn doesn't make any sense, since you are never folding 0.17 cents left for nothing.

First of all: remember that you entered this pot by making a huge mistake (calling preflop 3-handed from SB). Second, it was not a mistake but a little blunder: your raise flop should be larger given the connectivity of the board and when you do it you are already expecting shoves and you are always calling, or always shoving the turn.
OTR, you commits 90% of your stack leaving just a couple of blinds behind, it doesn't make any sense, just jam it, they are going to pay it with draws anyways.
Do not forget to put notes on the BTN player of its actions, example:

BTN holding XY calls versus CO/SB flop: 7s8hTc calls raise pot 3-handed/turn: Kc folds to double shove. Calling Station

Put a note on the CO opponent too: calls shove turn with OESD+FD / 200 bb pot

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

Preflop
Standard fold. You ll get squeezed by BB, you will be OOP for the rest of the hand.
Also draws a dominated easily

Flop
I think x/c is best. Avoid building a huge pot.

Turn
Bet call is fine

Jd179 said:

PokerStars Hand #210301999552: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/03/18 19:04:34 WET [2020/03/18 15:04:34 ET]
Table 'Aitne VIII' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: EvgVAG ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk ($4.39 in chips)
Seat 4: Harold2O ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: aro davila ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 6: denny179 ($2.17 in chips)
denny179: posts small blind $0.01
EvgVAG: posts big blind $0.02
dukechipe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to denny179 [Td 7d]
Ramonsaransk: folds
Harold2O: raises $0.04 to $0.06
aro davila: calls $0.06
denny179: calls $0.05
EvgVAG: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Tc]
denny179: checks
Harold2O: bets $0.10
aro davila: calls $0.10
denny179: raises $0.26 to $0.36
Harold2O: calls $0.26
aro davila: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Tc] K♣
denny179: bets $0.62
Harold2O: raises $0.96 to $1.58 and is all-in
aro davila: folds
denny179: calls $0.96
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Tc Kc] K♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
denny179: shows [Td 7d] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Harold2O: shows [9c Qc] (a pair of Kings)
denny179 collected $4.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.44 | Rake $0.16
Board [7s 8h Tc Kc Ks]
Seat 1: EvgVAG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ramonsaransk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Harold2O showed [9c Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: aro davila (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: denny179 (small blind) showed [Td 7d] and won ($4.28) with two pair, Kings and Tens





hi guys how else should I of played this hand? I think a fold pre would be the first problem, but curious to see how better players would of played the hand

had no reads or anything

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You played is fine, nice hand!

Folding preflop is an option, but by no means a must.

By the time you see the turn you are getting a great price and just need to hope that you have the best hand and that it holds up!

I would fold in even in BT position . I guess in overral your calling range is bledding money.

Flop you can lead.
Turn You have no options here. Even vs sets or straits, you have outs.

Evan Jarvis said:

You played is fine, nice hand!

Folding preflop is an option, but by no means a must.

By the time you see the turn you are getting a great price and just need to hope that you have the best hand and that it holds up!

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