$2 NLHE 6-max: What do you guys think about the assumptions I made this hand?

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Hand 1: http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/17342363_A85D7447B9

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• I Raise from UTG2 to $0,06 to create a bigger pot.
• Player next to me raises to $0,10, I assume he is a fish just because of the bet size of his raise.
• It gets folded around to me and I decided to call, because I didn’t want to scare him of bluffs he might have or was prepared to fire on the board texture. Pot: $0,23.
• The flop comes: 2c 3c 8h. It’s very unlikely this dry board hit my opponent and I decided to play the check/call game. I probably have the best hand, but he can have me beat when he has something from 88-AA. It’s unlikely that villain has AA or KK simple, because he would want to put his money in as soon as possible and would raise bigger. So any Ace or King I would definitely value bet on the turn or river.
• Villian decided to bet $0,10 and I called. Pot: $0,43.
• The turn comes: 7c. Another club, it’s still unlikely he had a flushdraw so this card probably wouldn’t help my opponent. If my opponent does have an overpair he will probably bet this turn and I can fold while thinking I played correctly. If he checks he probably has two broadway cards which he overvalues preflop. A bet here will only allow worse hands to fold and give better hands a chance to raise or even cold call, in this situation I would have put myself in a difficult situation where I still don’t know where I’m at.
• I check and the villain checks behind. He probably has two broadway cards.
• The river comes: 3d. This card is a complete brick and I decided I wanted to check/call, because I probably have the best hand in this situation. I give him a chance to bluff.
• Villian does bet $0,40 which most of the time is the normal betsizing for fish to bluff so I decided to call. Villian shows AhJh and I win the pot: $1,19.
 
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Postflop all sounds fairly good, you have a hand with showdown value vs his range and you manage to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, just remember this can be hard when out of position because he has much more control over the size of the pot than you do.

Preflop, your initial raise is for value rather than just to build a bigger pot although when raising for value it means we think we are ahead of villains range so building the pot is all part of a value bet.

I think 4 betting AK is generally a better idea than flatting. Firstly we are out of position and when there is a smaller stack to pot ratio we can't make as big mistakes post flop. Secondly, as you mentioned he looks like a fish due to the 3 bet size so I imagine he will call our 4 bet with a lot of worse hands than AK, therefore our 4 bet will be for value as well.
 
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Yeah I agree, 4 bet preflop because he is going to call you a lot. If he 5 bet I think we can fold ako because we can't really call or 6 bet, unless we had some reads. Overall I think you analysis postflop is pretty good.
 
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• I Raise from UTG2 to $0,06 to create a bigger pot.
Perfect, imo.
• Player next to me raises to $0,10, I assume he is a fish just because of the bet size of his raise.
He min-raised? Yup, he's a fish.
• It gets folded around to me and I decided to call, because I didn’t want to scare him of bluffs he might have or was prepared to fire on the board texture. Pot: $0,23.
He already established himself as a fish, he likely has a wide range. I 4-bet, make it $0.30 or something.
• The flop comes: 2c 3c 8h. It’s very unlikely this dry board hit my opponent and I decided to play the check/call game. I probably have the best hand, but he can have me beat when he has something from 88-AA. It’s unlikely that villain has AA or KK simple, because he would want to put his money in as soon as possible and would raise bigger. So any Ace or King I would definitely value bet on the turn or river.
Given the preflop call, this is fine.
• Villian decided to bet $0,10 and I called. Pot: $0,43.
• The turn comes: 7c. Another club, it’s still unlikely he had a flushdraw so this card probably wouldn’t help my opponent. If my opponent does have an overpair he will probably bet this turn and I can fold while thinking I played correctly. If he checks he probably has two broadway cards which he overvalues preflop. A bet here will only allow worse hands to fold and give better hands a chance to raise or even cold call, in this situation I would have put myself in a difficult situation where I still don’t know where I’m at.
• I check and the villain checks behind. He probably has two broadway cards.
• The river comes: 3d. This card is a complete brick and I decided I wanted to check/call, because I probably have the best hand in this situation. I give him a chance to bluff.
Makes perfect sense.
• Villian does bet $0,40 which most of the time is the normal betsizing for fish to bluff so I decided to call. Villian shows AhJh and I win the pot: $1,19.
Well played postflop.
Meh preflop.

But postflop is more important, so... nice hand!
 
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Position counts for alot . Helps you with size of pot .. Thought you did right
 
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Postflop all sounds fairly good, you have a hand with showdown value vs his range and you manage to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, just remember this can be hard when out of position because he has much more control over the size of the pot than you do.

Preflop, your initial raise is for value rather than just to build a bigger pot although when raising for value it means we think we are ahead of villains range so building the pot is all part of a value bet.

I think 4 betting AK is generally a better idea than flatting. Firstly we are out of position and when there is a smaller stack to pot ratio we can't make as big mistakes post flop. Secondly, as you mentioned he looks like a fish due to the 3 bet size so I imagine he will call our 4 bet with a lot of worse hands than AK, therefore our 4 bet will be for value as well.


I like 4betting against fish, but against decent players it pains me to 4bet and miss that flop and he calls a cbet... arrgh :)

But yeh good hero call on river, calling is the first step/next step is being able to read the hand and raise river and get more monies.
 
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Flatting is fine. Don't like 4-betting. Min 3-bets are usually polarizing to monsters or marginal/semi-strong hands. They want to see where they are at or want to take the initiative. By 4-betting, we isolate ourselves against AA/AK/KK/QQ/JJ and fold out some parts of his marginal holdings like offsuit broadways. I also don't expect a ton of fold equity if we 4-bet, as min 3-bets are from fish and they will call with 88-1010/suited broadways/maybe all PP if they are fishy enough, almost always JJ, always QQ, and jamming in KK/AA. So when we get called, which is probably often, we just inflated the pot OOP against a fish that probably doesn't fold. We are going to miss most of the time.

Turn assumption that he has two broadways is not correct. He can be checking behind for pot control with 99/1010/JJ/maybe QQ/KK/AA if he's passive. Checking/calling flop is fine for less than half PSB. Calling river is probably neutral +EV or marginally +EV. You will see overpairs here a decent amount of the time that know that you probably don't have the flush and are trying to get maximum value.
 
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