$2 NLHE 6-max: TT in trouble...when should I have folded here?

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Villains stats 34 VPIP, 16 PFR (only 40 hands when this happened), 75% continuation bet (6/8)

I think I should have folded earlier here. Should I have folded to his flop bet? I carried on, in case it was a c-bet and he gave up on the turn, probably not a good idea with the Jack on the flop, or is this OK sometimes? :s:

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
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SB: $1.57
BB: $2.12
UTG: $3.12
MP Hero: $2.12
CO: $2.09
BTN: $1.70

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP and dealt :10d4: :10h4:
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.10, CO folds

Flop: ($0.46) :9c4: :7h4: :jc4: (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.78) :9c4: :7h4: :jc4: :7s4: (2 players)
SB bets $0.34, Hero calls $0.34

River: ($1.46) :9c4: :7h4: :jc4: :7s4: :9s4: (2 players)
SB bets $0.89 (All-in), Hero folds, SB returned $0.89
 
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With his cbet at 75 I'd call the flop and muck the turn. Did you have any reads on his PF3bet?
 
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how many times did he 3-bet?

I'd probably just 4-bet/call pre or call this off postflop.

I never played this low but in general, on the sites like FTP pre-BF and Stars, the 6-max ss guys are all 3-betting like 20%+ from the blinds in squeeze spots and like 2% from the BTN for some retarded reason.
 
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What was his 3b%? I assume its pretty low seeing as its 2NL and you have a small sample size. However I don't think many J's are in his 3b range. I think his range is probably something like QQ+, AQs+,AKo+ but its hard to tell because some players are just 3bet adverse and hate to do it. Anyhow, as played i'd float flop incase he has missed overs and fold turn when he double barrels because I think you're behind here a lot.
 
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I only had 40 hands on him when this happened, this was the first time he 3-bet. Don't think that means much though as sample is so small.
I wouldn't be comfortable 4 betting with TT without a 3bet% stat because most players have a small 3-bet range- AA, KK and AK.
Would a fold preflop be OK here? Or are tens too valuable for that?
As played, I agree with you guys that I should have folded to the turn bet.
 
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Well are you just set minning 10 10 because you put villain on QQ+?If so fold on the flop,If you're going to call the flop calling the turn is a must.An i don't think the 9 on the river changed anything.I must say though a 3 barrel bluff is very uncommon for these limits.So either he has JJ which is unlikely or QQ+,AQ+.All that said i uh don't know what i would do maybe 4bet shove pre,or raise big on the flop with no A,K on the flop.
Just a tough spot.
 
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We can't be set mining with the stack SB has, it's not profitable.
 
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Well are you just set minning 10 10 because you put villain on QQ+?If so fold on the flop,If you're going to call the flop calling the turn is a must.
I think you can re-evaluate on the turn. On the flop I think his c-betting range is 100% of his 3bing range but when he double barrells it's usually just his overpairs or JJ that double and so folding makes a lot more sense.
i uh don't know what i would do maybe 4bet shove pre,or raise big on the flop with no A,K on the flop.
Just a tough spot.
4bet shoving pre his calling range will destroy you (assuming the 3b range is right). I tried to work out if shoving the flop would be profitable for the 3b range assigned too.
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But i failed miseraby at EV calculations. It was way too complicated for me. However intuition probably says it's -EV to shove the flop (if anyone could show me how to work out the exact EV it'd be appreciated).
We have a 44% chance of him folding on the flop. But are risking ~$1.23 to win ~$0.64 and only 27% equity when called in a $3.14 pot.
 
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4bet shoving pre his calling range will destroy you (assuming the 3b range is right). I tried to work out if shoving the flop would be profitable for the 3b range assigned too.

I agree with this, I really wouldn't want to shove TT pre, there are too many hands that beat me or that I flip with. Shoving the flop being +EV is an interesting idea...I just noticed that his c-bet is rather small (1/3 pot) and I would have thought that AA/KK/QQ would bet bigger so maybe this part of his range could be ruled out. That kind of c-bet makes me think he is more likely to have AK/AQ or JJ (and playing it slow), but who knows!
 
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You paid $35 for flopzilla?O sorry for the hijack
 
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If villain played JJ+ like this, good for him. I'm not convinced because microdonks are deathly afraid of any flop with two cards of the same suit and will try to get you to fold. Given our line looks so weak he can get to the river with A-high and think it's the nuts on this board texture, or, more likely, he's a donk with less than a full buy-in just clicking buttons.

If OP would tell us how villain played other hands postflop when he had something it'd really helpful.
 
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