$2 NLHE 6-max: Trips facing aggression

I have hands on the villain now but had about 15 at the time, playing roughly a 40/8

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $2.33
BB: $4.29
UTG: $1.93
Hero (BTN): $5.04

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K:spade: A:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) K:diamond: 4:diamond: 3:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.14, BB raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.89, 2 players) K:club:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.68, BB raises to $1.36, Hero calls $0.68

River: ($3.61, 2 players) J:spade:
BB bets $2.49 and is all-in, Hero

I was very close to folding the river and checking back the turn.

Played fine if you called river, depending on the fish you could make a case of just shoving the turn (if hes never gonna fold a flush draw or Kx) or if you think hes more likely bluff a lot and bluff rivers then calling the turn raise is obviously better, im not sure which i prefer against an unknown, probably leaning towards just shoving the turn. Yeah he owns us with 44 and 33 but that's irrelevant.

Yeah sorry I deleted too much, I did call the river. I think me calling the turn was just delaying what I thought was envitable, next time I'll just ship it. Okay well that makes me feel better. I still ended up for the session but shipping 250BB's doesnt feel great :/ and doesnt help maintain the winrate.

I'd find it very hard to lay down trips against a fish with stats like that. I'd be tempted to shove AI over the top of his raise cause they often call with worse... a weaker K, a pocket pair... sometimes they even call with a strong A or a flush draw in those scenarios. Granted that's rare and probably not what your opponent would be doing here but fish are that bad that the majority of the time you're surely getting paid off. This is what I've found so far playing at these limits.

Being 250BBs deep definitely changes things but I'm still just not sure I could fold trips in this spot.

I guess from your second post in this thread that the other guy had a full house and won the pot? Sucks :\ But I think long term you're going to get paid off with trips against fish like this.

Yeah I just felt I should have got away from it. I knew I was beat and still called, folds like this turn a good winrate into an amazing winrate.

I'd have called the river too. I think 99% of good players would at these limits (i could be wrong). At these small limits, he could very well have a lot weaker most of the time with the same betting behaviour.

40/8?

Is this 40 VPIP/ 8 PRF or is the 8 his aggression factor?

LDS85 said:

I'd have called the river too. I think 99% of good players would at these limits (i could be wrong). At these small limits, he could very well have a lot weaker most of the time with the same betting behaviour.

40/8?

Is this 40 VPIP/ 8 PRF or is the 8 his aggression factor?

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The bold one. People will generally always put the VPIP/PFR first.

I look at this as a definite call on the river. He is probably figuring you dont have the king and that you will lay it down. Maybe he flopped two pair and was trapping then the board over paired his two pair leaving him with something like 3 4, and he just didnt want to give up his big blind preflop. I snap call the river

acky100 said:

Played fine if you called river, depending on the fish you could make a case of just shoving the turn (if hes never gonna fold a flush draw or Kx) or if you think hes more likely bluff a lot and bluff rivers then calling the turn raise is obviously better, im not sure which i prefer against an unknown, probably leaning towards just shoving the turn. Yeah he owns us with 44 and 33 but that's irrelevant.

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Ditto.
There's more than enough busted draws and weaker kings to go round.

Calling that river every day of the week.

Easiest call in the world. Don't let one cooler make you think you made a bad play. The 2 cards he showed up with are just a part of his range here.

Scourrge said:

Easiest call in the world. Don't let one cooler make you think you made a bad play. The 2 cards he showed up with are just a part of his range here.

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Yeah normally easy call but I thought about this for 20 seconds before calling.

He's c/r me twice and then donk shoved the river. I just dont think Im good a huge amount. The reason Im playing 2NL is to see what my winrate is at it.
So far at about 20bb/100 over 25k hands but I think when playing 250bbs, folds like this shoot the winrate up to about 25bb/100.

Shoot me down if Im being too optimistic.

Folds like this will decrease your win-rate because calling is more profitable in the long run... (Imo.)

Just thing about his range here. Obv he can have K4, K3, KJ here, that beat you. But that's only 9 combos. And you only need 29% equity against his range for this call to be profitable in the long run. So if he also plays KQ like this, then boom, it's profitable to call. Add anything else in that we beat and our EV sky-rockets.


Edit: Sorry, forgot he can have 44 and 33 here too, which each add another 3 combos. So it's a little closer, but I still have a lot of trouble finding a fold here. If he does this with KQ, KT, then it's still profitable.

He showed a lot of strength for a passive fish and finding a fold here with trips on the river is hard. To be honest I'm quite nitty and I would fold the river but like everyone says folding here in this level might be a mistake.

TheseNutsWin said:

He showed a lot of strength for a passive fish and finding a fold here with trips on the river is hard. To be honest I'm quite nitty and I would fold the river but like everyone says folding here in this level might be a mistake.

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The thing is, we can't ever KNOW his range here. So it's obv tough to say for sure. But I would just say to never forget the "spaz" factor. Even passive fish go crazy with air at times, or super over-value hands (like top pair good kicker that turns into trips).

Others might say it's pretty close, but I still think it's a clear call.

Scourrge said:

The thing is, we can't ever KNOW his range here. So it's obv tough to say for sure. But I would just say to never forget the "spaz" factor. Even passive fish go crazy with air at times, or super over-value hands (like top pair good kicker that turns into trips).

Others might say it's pretty close, but I still think it's a clear call.

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I agree passive fish like that tend to do some idiotic things he could be easily c/r with KQ here(because many of them like to still raise to see where they are at ). They do some really terrible random stuff so I understand what you mean. Still unless I see him spazzing out and he is tilting I'm still not too happy about his shove on river. There are plenty missed flushes and straights problem is that passive fish most of the time don't like to play draws in agro ways. They just call and shove when they get there, although obviously this is a generalization.

Im even less sure now, I dont think its a snap call anyway.

My advice is: don't agonize over it. We're discussing it a lot cause it's an interesting spot. But I think it was Tommy Angelo who brought to the light the fact that it's the spots we are least sure about that matter the least.

Cause really, if it's so close that you just don't know (as in, we can't know if KT is in his range or not here without a LOT of history), then it can't really be a huge decision EV-wise.

Yeah I guess you're right about that. Out of interest would you change your mind in the same situation at 10/25nl? Assuming we are still 250bbs deep?

That's a tough question. Cause my gut reaction was, probably wouldn't change at 10, possibly at 25.

But assuming it's the same player and I still think he's an enormous fish, don't think my answer changes.

Yeah stupid question of course the answer wont change! Sorry its like 5am here... got a lecture at 9 aswell

Haha no worries dude I feel yah - played a 6-hour live session Sunday night/Monday morning. Pretty fishy but only walked away up a little over a BI. Unfortunately the public trans. bus back was uber late so I didn't sleep til like 3:30am, and had lecture at 9:30am. Somehow I got there on time, didn't fall asleep in class, and actually learned some shit

Shit me wish I could do that, anything less than 10 hours kills me, hence why I've stayed up! Who arranges lecture for 9.00am? Dont think I'll be learning much today, and its a shame I dont like coffee. Thats the worst thing about live, the players are that bad you dont want to leave! If the tables didnt die around 6am Id probably stick about all day at them.

I hear yah dude. One weekend I did pull an all-nighter at the casino, with roughly a 20-hour session (couple hours total in breaks), so I was nearly there a whole day.

Fish are fish. A 40/6 at 2nl will be no different to a 40/6 at 1000nl. Perhaps a little more scared of going all in but no different in ability.