$2 NLHE 6-max: Top two VS 4 clubs on board

Was this the right fold? had trouble folding top two pair here but knew he most likely had a club in his hand

Dealt to river265 [Js Qh]
Nheme: folds
HxBg-MioCh: calls $0.02
Paolo201211: calls $0.02
Kismalac82: calls $0.02
river265: raises $0.08 to $0.10
Nikitus 87: calls $0.08
HxBg-MioCh: folds
Paolo201211: raises $0.08 to $0.18
Kismalac82: folds
river265: calls $0.08
Nikitus 87: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5c Qc]
river265: bets $0.30
Nikitus 87: folds
Paolo201211: calls $0.30
*** TURN *** [Jc 5c Qc] [7c]
river265: checks
Paolo201211: bets $0.56
river265: folds [Js Qh]
Uncalled bet ($0.56) returned to Paolo201211
Paolo201211 collected $1.14 from pot

Matthew556 said:

Was this the right fold? had trouble folding top two pair here but knew he most likely had a club in his hand

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How did you arrive at the assumption he has a club? And why is it best to fold even if this assumption is correct?

Arjonius said:

How did you arrive at the assumption he has a club?

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I had strong feeling he was holding the club. The guy was limping in with any two whole cards.

Arjonius said:

And why is it best to fold even if this assumption is correct?

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Because you are beaten and would lose a proportion of your stack against a passive player who could be holding anything. Would you of called in this situation?

Most likely he has the clubs.

When a passive player bets on a dangerous community cards, R U N ! ! !

Matthew556 said:

I had strong feeling he was holding the club. The guy was limping in with any two whole cards.

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The action after he limped affects his range. When he re-raises, you can't automatically apply the same assumption that he could have ATC. If you want to argue that his pre-flop sequence increases the chance he's suited, fine. But basing your read on just his limp doesn't use all the info available to you.

Because you are beaten and would lose a proportion of your stack against a passive player who could be holding anything. Would you of called in this situation?

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The only time when you can assume he has anything is at your first turn to act. After that, if you haven't modified his range, you're not using info or assumptions from his subsequent actions.

What I'd do on the turn given the way you played the hand isn't fully relevant because it's rather unlikely I'd be in this situation since I'm seldom if ever raising three limpers pre- with QJo OOP.

Also how confident can you be that he's passive? He limped behind originally. Okay, that looks passive. But without more info, this is a pretty slim read.

As Arjonius said, dont raise QJo even IP let alone OOP here. Just call.

Calling the flop is fine, but if we just called pre instead of raising, the pot is much smaller and we see a turn card for a much cheaper price. 4th club hits and we can fold having lost very little.

A word of advice. Do not overplay/over value 2 pair.

Easy fold pre, your raise was pretty horrible and calling the 3 bet was amazingly horrible. I would not be surprised if villain had AQ here.

As played it looks like you only bet half pot on that flop, I would consider potting on this flop because anyone with A of clubs is not folding so you need them to pay for their draw.

Wow I didn't even notice the 3bet. What were you doing! Fold!

yes i think is right the fold, but the better desicion was fold preflop after the 3 bet.

As mentioned above, best course of action overall is not to take that line preflop.

Would be helpful to know stack sizes and proper position information too.

Bunch of nits imo, raising QJ pre is standard for 6 max. I'd probably fold to the min 3bet though but please post stack sizes and positions.

The raise pre was a little small. The fold ott as played is fine.

bgomez89 said:

Bunch of nits imo, raising QJ pre is standard for 6 max. I'd probably fold to the min 3bet though but please post stack sizes and positions.

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He was short stacked about 20-30bb i think while i was arould 110bb.