$2 NLHE 6-max: top pair and turn flush draw facing extreme aggression

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pokerstars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 130.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 8)
SB: 200 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 183 BB
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: 120 BB
CO: 115.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc 7c
UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB

Flop : (14 BB, 4 players) 7h 5h 3c
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 10 BB, fold, SB calls 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn : (44 BB, 3 players) Ac
SB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, UTG raises to 33 BB, fold, Hero calls 21 BB

River : (110 BB, 2 players) 4c
Hero bets 57 BB, fold
Hero wins 106 BB


after the turn raise i put him on an over pair or ak or aq, i have 9 flush plus 2 7's and 3 j's to make the best hand, 14 outs = 28% to river.

I had to call 22 bb's to win 78bb approx 3.5/1

any better way to play this?, maybe check the turn expecting utg1 to bet and hoping sb calls?
 
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Bet the flop from the get go or check raise. There aren't many cards you're going to like on the turn. Letting the hand go to the turn 3 ways while OOP on the preflop aggressor is not good.
 
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check raise 3x on the flop even tho im assuming im up against an overpair?, then half pot on the turn?

i think he might have shoved... easy call?
 
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fold pre, c/c flop. Turn is interesting, if you bet I'd bet much bigger and jam river straight cards as well as cards that hit you.
 
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check raise 3x on the flop even tho im assuming im up against an overpair?, then half pot on the turn?

i think he might have shoved... easy call?

Why do you assume overpair? All he did was raise pre and bet flop, which is pretty standard.
 
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fold pre, c/c flop. Turn is interesting, if you bet I'd bet much bigger and jam river straight cards as well as cards that hit you.

Fold pre? I was getting better than 5:1???
 
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Raised the turn, put him on an over pair or a big ace...

Big Ace seems more likely, in which case more aggression from you could probably induce a fold from him on the flop.


Fold pre? I was getting better than 5:1???

Yeah fold pre. 5:1 doesn't mean anything when you have J-7 OOP. But I like to analyze the hands as played.

There are three others in the hand, and you have a trash hand. You have pretty much no edge going to the flop.
 
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Big Ace seems more likely, in which case more aggression from you could probably induce a fold from him on the flop.




Yeah fold pre. 5:1 doesn't mean anything when you have J-7 OOP. But I like to analyze the hands as played.

There are three others in the hand, and you have a trash hand. You have pretty much no edge going to the flop.

Fair enough, I obviously had to hit the flop hard...

Check raising the flop, how to handle a re raise or shove? Fold?
 
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Fair enough, I obviously had to hit the flop hard...

Check raising the flop, how to handle a re raise or shove? Fold?

Fold. I don't think you want to commit a ton of chips with J-7. Just isn't a good spot.
 
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Fold pre-flop. You're not playing limit poker. 5:1 doesn't mean much pre-flop in no-limit.

As played, what are you doing on the turn? You trying to get him to call with 44/66 or fold out bigger pairs, because the sizing makes no sense.
 
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As noted, 5:1 doesn't mean much when you're OOP with little clue as to how to play the hand you're most likely to make: a marginal pair or a marginal pair with a draw. As is we have a relative monster (pair + draw) and we're still an equity dog -- we're OOP and extracting value when we do hit big is going to be difficult.

By my calculations based on the ranges of opponents in hand (you should note that raise came from UTG, a tight player called OTB, and a nit called in the SB) you are no better than 1 in 6 to win this hand IF it goes to showdown. Problem is you are going to pay off too often.

Folding hands like this preflop will prevent difficult decisions on how to play OOP and prevent this thread from being necessary.
 
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Fold pre-flop. You're not playing limit poker. 5:1 doesn't mean much pre-flop in no-limit.

As played, what are you doing on the turn? You trying to get him to call with 44/66 or fold out bigger pairs, because the sizing makes no sense.

yes, turn bet was weak... half pot better?
 
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