$2 NLHE 6-max: Tens into a set on a 6 max micro table. Poor betting strategy?

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 18.89, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, hands: 95)
SB: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (BB): 185.5 BB
UTG: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 29)
MP: 112 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 18.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 70)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♣T♦

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 9 BB, CO calls 7 BB
Flop: (30.5 BB, 3 players) T♥6♣8♦
Hero bets 9.5 BB[/color], fold, BTN calls 9.5 BB
Turn: (49.5 BB, 2 players) J♣
Hero bets 166 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 87 BB and is all-in
River: (223.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥

BTN shows K♠Q♥ (High Card, King)
(Pre 43%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows T♣T♦ (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 212.5 BB

3 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

My thoughts
I think I just got lucky. I'm very new to hand analysis and fairly new to thoughtful playing and this was a big pot for me today and looking back at it I can't help but think I played it really poorly, and just lucked out.

First I'm wondering if my preflop call was wise, in the long run should I be calling 3 bets with 10's especially out of position? I've heard about a general 15x setmining rule, which I wasn't likely to get, and can't help but think maybe I played a little to hopefully.

On the turn I don't know what exactly I was thinking aside from trying to put off high straight draws like KQ, but I wouldn't even think that this guy would 3 bet KQ. Even if he did I was the favorite and probably could have gone a more conservative route in extracting value. As it happened he did have KQ and did shove after me. I think it was indicative of the stakes.

I really appreciate any insight, this is my first post here so looking forward to learning the right way to play this hand.
 
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I really don't like cold-calling at all. I've hardly ever done it over 300-400k hands online. Your range is super face-up and capped to 77-QQ, mainly 1010-QQ, suited broadways like AQs/some AJs, and AK. You're usually OOP since it's from the blinds, and you have no initiative. You're also not getting a good price to call, and you are not closing the action. The original raiser can still come over the top, and you have to fold.

Just fold pre. BTN has nitty 4% stats, meaning he pretty much only 3-bets premiums. You are crushed by his range.
 
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Don't like calling pre and absolutely HATE the flop bet. If we're calling pre it has to be because we think he's holding a premium pair and if we think he has lots of overpairs in his range we have to let him bet this flop. Can't believe he called the turn shove with an open-ender. Honestly one of the oddest hands I have ever seen.
 
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I seriously have no clue what I was thinking, which is why I posted. I looked over the hand and was pretty baffled as to why I played that hand like that. I looked through some earlier hands and sort of put it together, the villain had lost something like 6 bucks to me in 4 hands before and I probably chalked it up to him trying to push me around. The previous hands were all decent pots relative to the table limits so I must have just figured he was on tilt or something. The hands I beat him with were a chain of luck where I got 2 QQs an AA and AQs which would have been maddening if I were in his shoes. Probably not a good excuse, nonetheless. Thanks guys.
 
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Against his range you are 40/60 dog. Calling TT can only be a set mine, where you believe he'll pay you off. The question is, "was your plan to call pre and fold if you didn't get a T?" The good news is after your call CO had the odds to call and did.

When you hit the T on the flop why bet? BTN is almost guaranteed to CBet and the donk bet looks strong. When he called, I immediate thought "big pair." I kind of like the turn bet AI. It looks a little weak, daring him to call with his big pair.

I can't believe he called without a big pair.

50/50 preflop, bad betting on the flop, and I like the turn shove.
 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzhEUQYGqpc
I quite liked this video on set mining. When I started, I would try to set mine nearly every pocket pair I saw and it isn't profitable.

Another issue to consider when you're playing is position. Even when you hit the set like this, you really need to check back to him and hope he cbets (which he should). Playing in position is way more profitable... Can't emphasise it enough - tighten up in the blinds especially when there's been a 3bet.

As played, if you're going to donk bet, make it at least half pot. I can't imagine him folding because of the difference and it bloats the pot (makes it easier to get it all in).

The turn is really strange. Your bet sizing is odd, but his call... I hope you stayed at the table as long as he did.
 
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@Finn, I just noticed with my first 2 HH posts I'm scared of extracting value and don't do it in fear of getting drawn out. I think that happens because of another issue, I really hate admitting, but I can get married to certain hands and have that issue where I want to win if I have the best hole cards, which I think may be my next learning goal along with getting value out of non-nut hands.

@jreece thanks for the link. I'll check it out tomorrow after work. That positioning stuff probably wasn't even going through my head. I really think folding was the right play but at the time I thought the guy might be playing to get his money back so I didn't give his raise much credit. Probably not great reasoning haha
 
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Also, was the turn shove right? With the board getting wetter was taking the pot down a decent idea?
 
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Also, was the turn shove right? With the board getting wetter was taking the pot down a decent idea?

You were trying to get him to fold with your turn shove?
 
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Either that or look like I had something his high pair had beat and have him shove or get a set over set of he was 3 betting really wide, trying to make up lost money. It seems like you don't really like that idea? I'm pretty new to dissecting hands this deep.
 
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Fold preflop, BTN doesn't seem to kid around with his 3-betting so his range has you crushed. And you don't know what CO has. Coldcalling could've opened you up to a squeeze.

As played, check the flop. BTN's is c-betting this 100% of the time. Donking not only looks really strong, but you did so for 30% of the pot? If you do this, then please bet at least half pot.

As played, the turn shove is... I'm doubting between "meh" and "ok". :)
It looks like a bluff so you could get called light (and since we suspect an overpair he will most likely call), but then the amount is so intimidating (it's twice the pot!) that he could be folding some overpair and we'd like those to pay us off here...

That he showed up with KQ is mind-blowing. Befriend him and sit on his left. ;)


Edit: also, you're only as deep as your deepest opponent! ;)
You may have 185.5BB, but you're playing for effective stacks of 103.5-112BB. That's not that deep.
 
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I never want my opponent to fold anything he might 3bet on this board when I'm holding a set.
 
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why do you want to fold TT preflop? it's a very strong hand
 
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why do you want to fold TT preflop? it's a very strong hand

3bet preflop from a player with a less than 4% 3bet, plus you're oop. It's good to setmine against strong ranges, but only when you're getting the odds. Here you aren't. Plus, as Tim said, you still have the original raiser to act after you.
 
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NH you can call me fish!!! but I think this hand(on $0.02 NL (6 max) is played correctly !!! there's nothing to add!!
 
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