$2 NLHE 6-max: Snap Re-raised and a little lost.

Villain's stats are: 22/19/51 over about 400 hands.

His fold to 3bet is 62% and having seen him fold to 3bets quite often already in this session, I decided to 3bet with QJ thinking I could steal pretty easily. He called however which I hadn't seen him do before. The hand is as follows:

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

MP: $7.25 (362.5 bb)
CO: $5 (250 bb)
BTN: $4.39 (219.5 bb)
SB: $2.72 (136 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (250 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
MP calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.63) 4 3 J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.31, CO raises to $1.09, Hero folds


I hit a J, so top pair and decent kicker but he snap-re-raised me after Cbetting the flop. What do you do here? Do you put him on a higher pair or a better J? I doubt he'd Cbet me with any sort of draw, I can only put him on a hand beating mine like QQ, KK, AA or trip Js. Am I generally right in thinking this?

Just a quick edit as I can't seem to edit my original post. I meant to say he snap raised me, not re-raised.

Well let me have a stab at this first...All the hands you mentioned preflop QQ/KK/AA would've been 4bet pre no? Did this player usually just flat 3bets in position with a high PP? Attempting to switch up his/her play and confuse you post flop? While that certainly can be a plausible (I'm gonna have to go against that)...

So my next question would be how did this player play in general? Are they aggressive preflop in L.P? Do they raise pre often in L.P? Do they steal alot in L.P? Are they a passive player? That only raises the stronger part of their range in L.P preflop?

On this flop it could be a wide range of hands that certainly can do this (without having all the questions I asked answer'd, I don't know what to do on this flop)...

Hands that beat you and that could beat you on this flop and that would RR you on this flop would be KJ/AJ/4s/3s also A2c/56c and any sort of clubs+ take into account all the 56o+2 pair hands...I personally don't think/QQ/KK/AA is in there at all, but maybe JJ could be but very slim since you also have a jack in your hand

His range is WAY wider than you think here and includes a lot more than JJ+.

Like Naruto says QQ+ probably 4bets prefop but I wouldn't rule out QQ completely here.

Hands in his range that beat you: 44 and 33 and the unlikely JJ are possibilities...as you are deep it's fine for him to setmine with these hands preflop; AJ and KJ are definitely possible too.

Hands in his range that you beat: semi-bluffing flush draws (especially flush draws with overs), semi-bluffing straight draws, 88-TT raising for value, and overcard hands too like AK, AQ and KQ.

Raising the flop as a bluff or semi-bluff is very common, especially from players with solid looking stats like this and it's quite hard to play against. I'm leaning towards saying you should fold and wait for a better spot but it's close imo.

micromachine said:

His range is WAY wider than you think here and includes a lot more than JJ+.

Like Naruto says QQ+ probably 4bets prefop but I wouldn't rule out QQ completely here.

Hands in his range that beat you: 44 and 33 and the unlikely JJ are possibilities...as you are deep it's fine for him to setmine with these hands preflop; AJ and KJ are definitely possible too.

Hands in his range that you beat: semi-bluffing flush draws (especially flush draws with overs), semi-bluffing straight draws, 88-TT raising for value, and overcard hands too like AK, AQ and KQ.

Raising the flop as a bluff or semi-bluff is very common, especially from players with solid looking stats like this and it's quite hard to play against. I'm leaning towards saying you should fold and wait for a better spot but it's close imo.

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Ditto

Generally I'm stacking in these spots but:

*This guy has iso'd pre (so I'm not expecting to see enough draws)
*Has a fairly high F3B (less draws again)
*We're deep

Fold

Villain played the hand great. I would play it just like him too. None of your bet sizings seem like you are serious about the hand at all. So I would raise the flop on you too and take it down.

Ok so far i agree with what everyone else has said.

Lets look at this equation from a different perspective though.

What does villain think YOU have. Whats YOUR table image. Have you played alot of pots lately? You 3 bet very much?

What do you think he is putting you on after the flop.

Villian could be playing you instead of his cards. His raise could mean he doesnt beleive you hit the flop, or that he wants you to shove so he can get his flush draw all in..

Theres not alot of information here to be able to make the correct play.

Getting into hands with hands like Q-J leave you with tough decisions. Fold because you only were trying to steal his 10 cents anyway. Call if you want to play for stacks. You hit top pair what esle could you ask for?

naruto_miu said:

Well let me have a stab at this first...All the hands you mentioned preflop QQ/KK/AA would've been 4bet pre no? Did this player usually just flat 3bets in position with a high PP? Attempting to switch up his/her play and confuse you post flop? While that certainly can be a plausible (I'm gonna have to go against that)...

So my next question would be how did this player play in general? Are they aggressive preflop in L.P? Do they raise pre often in L.P? Do they steal alot in L.P? Are they a passive player? That only raises the stronger part of their range in L.P preflop?

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I'm not sure if he would have 4bet QQ, but I would imagine KK and AA - the only thing is, I've seen him regularly fold to a 3bet of mine or call and immediately fold to my Cbet. In general, the player is very tight - folds pretty quickly in most situations - comes across as the sort of player that if he doesn't have the best possible hand in the situation, he's probably folding.

Definitely not overly aggressive in a late position. Not too aggressive in general from what I've seen, more of a passive type. This is what had me putting him on hands like QQ+ because of the most passive style that I've seen.


Thanks for the other replies guys - I'll take it all into consideration! I'm relatively new to cash game play. Still picking up on some basics!