$2 NLHE 6-max: Small pocket pair, what's our river action?

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Villain hasn't been too loose or anything but then again, another player I don't have many hands so can't say.

This seems like either a draw or maybe a king I think ace might be raising at some point.

Is there any point in better the river here?. Can we bet pot maybe on the river and get him to fold out his king or some just go to show down and much?


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($1)
BB ($1.77)
Hero (UTG) ($5.88)
MP ($2.54)
Button ($2.31)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5
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, 5
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Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 4
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, K
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, A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, MP calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 4
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, MP calls $0.28

River: ($1.03) 6
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(2 players)
Hero ?
 
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Why would you bet the turn...
 
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Well why wouldn't we? We figure he doesn't call the flop with the 4. So if any Ace hand would always be betting the turn here..I don't see an advantage in just checking it apart from leaving ourselves in a position to either potentially be bluffed at on the river and also it's nearly always impossible to get him to fold a king in this spot as he's always going to call the river bet.

I much prefer betting 60-80cent on the river rather than betting 20-30cent on the river if we had checked the turn as the latter is less likely to be called rather than a tempting 20-30cent which is much more likely to be called. So IF I had checked the turn, I'd of had to check the river in most cases unless I hit a 4 as he would always call a bet unless I massively overbet the river, which I'm not going to do.
 
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Nvm I thought we were In position. Bet .40 on turn and c/f river
 
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Nvm I thought we were In position. Bet .40 on turn and c/f river

I don't get why checking the river is good? Isn't this just like wasting 40cent on the turn? Sure he can fold the turn if we bet 40cents, but this tells me he has to have a king here in most cases if he calls so I'm donating 40cent for no reason if I intend to check the river..

I wondered what amount would be appropriate to bet the river with to get a king to fold here and of course he could well be calling down the spade draw.
 
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Bet turn because tons of things are going to call flop cbets so you bet turns to fold out higher pairs/get value from draws in a way. Check fold river because most likely he has an ace or something else he likes. If he was on a FD he could bluff river but he'll probably check behind.
 
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I'm not too keen on c/f the river here as that route seems too passive and it gives villian a chance to bluff, but on the other hand this is the micros and most players call down with middle pair so the safe route would be to c/f after latter statement.
 
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c/f turn. That 4 means nothing for your hand so if he didn't fold the flop there is VERY few combos that he'll be folding on the turn.
 
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66-TT, Kx and some fds could fold imo
 
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66-TT, Kx and some fds could fold imo
FDs probably don't fold to a ~1/2 pot bet, Kx and the small pairs might but the small pairs usually fold the flop. Just a really bad board to barrel OOP without some read that villain floats a lot. Against an unknown it's really bad imo.
 
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No one folds an A especially on this board texture/run out, if he got here with a draw he likely won't bluff it.
 
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I didn't put him on an Ace, I put him on a King at best here, I'd suspect most Aces would raise either the flop or turn.

I thought with a bloated pot of $1.03 he's going to find it hard to call a bet 3/4 - pot(80c-$1.00) with just a king considering my aggression. So wonder what sort of bet range we need to put in to get him of this king without it looking to bluffy and getting called.

I see now though you the vast majority think it's unlikely to get a fold. I just felt c/f was giving him a high chance of to either bluff me, meaning I'd have to fold or him get value out of his king or even middle pocket pair here. If I led with a decent sized bet, it might be hard to call..
 
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FDs probably don't fold to a ~1/2 pot bet, Kx and the small pairs might but the small pairs usually fold the flop. Just a really bad board to barrel OOP without some read that villain floats a lot. Against an unknown it's really bad imo.

This is pretty on the ball.
 
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You no stats at all?

I check/fold the flop. Any paint what so ever has hit a pair or a gutshot. I deem your average 2NL unknown to be fishy enough to have every paint combo possible, shitloads of Ax hands and loads of sooted hands for the spades.
That and we don't have position or any equity when beat.

If villain is a reg we'd be looking at zernd Axo non-paint hands to bluff other than small pocketpairs which will be out numbered by AQ/AJ/KQ hands.

As played c/f turn. You'll notice earliar I listed spades as an argument against c-betting despite us having a stronger hand value.
*Unless they had 2s3s they had 15outs and >50% equity.
*They will bluff us further down the line

55 cannot hold up against 3 streets of betting. The only way you don't let the spades bluff you at some point is if you triple barrel your 55 into every Ax and Kx combo. For the 45% equity we have on the flop is it really worth it? Check/fold turn, stop worrying about getting bluffed, sometimes we have no choice but to let it happen.
 
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