$2 NLHE 6-max: Shoving vs. squueze with TT MW

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Hello, trying to survive in NL2 zoom


This came up, and I think this is marginal at best to shove, but should I? My thinking on the heat of the moment was that I have the best hand vs. big blind a lot

Both villains relatively unknown:
Big blind: 10 hands, Vpip=40%, Raise first in = 43%, 3bet=1/2
UTG: 4 hands, nothing to say, he is most likely just normal player


PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 61.5 BB
SB: 106 BB (VPIP: 9.43, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
BB: 53.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 222 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 53.5 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 50.5 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG calls 45 BB and is all-in

Flop: (254 BB, 3 players) 9 4 7

Turn: (254 BB, 3 players) K

River: (254 BB, 3 players) T







I got an positive EV but well not by much.
Big blind: {88+,A9s+,KJs+,AJo+,Kqo}
UTG: {JJ+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+}

EVmain=0.3122*(3*1.07+0.07)-0.6878=0.336
EVside=0.4187*0.90-0.5816*0.90=-0.147
Evtot=0.336-0.147=0.19
 
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It's super marginal. I don't think I'd be playing this hand. You have basically no reads, you have no idea what he could be shoving with. He could be a complete donk and be shoving with anything, or maybe he does that with aces. I don't think you can really assume his range for shoving like that can be so wide when you have 10 hands on him.

Although, if I was going to actually put a range on UTG, I would remove AA-QQ. Or at least AA KK. I don't think it's worth doing this with tens. Maybe my suggestion would change if you have reads, but micros is still about fat value. No need to get involved in marginal situations. I think it's best to stay away from thin value so you can get out of 2nl faster. Then again I don't play zoom, but I've read that zoom players are generally tighter? Reshoving was obviously the correct move if you were going to play this hand.
 
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Fold all day long. What are we trying to do here? If UTG called 50 he's definitely calling another 50 to win 150 so we're not pushing UTG out and isolating BB by shoving and pocket 10's is very marginal against 2 villains.
 
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Super easy fold. You invested 3 BBs to this point, and have an UTG opener who just called - didn't go all-in, on a 3-bet shove. Further you have no info. You really think UTG's range will be something like this?

UTG: {JJ+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+}.

It's more like JJ+/AKo+s/AQs (as a bad call hand).
 
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After a shove and a call, this is a super easy fold. You only had to invest 3BB and you're up against two hands that'll be a coinflip at best, and that'll have you crushed at worst.

Nice suckout if neither had KK. But it should have been a fold.
 
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Yea, I am folding here. I like the call, but after that action, you should just fold.
 
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Ok, thanks.
” but micros is still about fat value” I think this alone is enough reason to fold.
BBlind had: JJ
UTG: AQo
 
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I would give utg both AA and KK because sometimes these just flat to lure me in, then again some players call very wide because I'm supposed to fold and BB is candidate to being a bit crazy. 50bb stack without any statistics shoving is often just crazy, now we have also 10 hands suggesting he indeed might be one of these. Zoom is tigh but also crazy, around 30% hands or so one actually plays vs loose players because nits and regs just fold everything.
 
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