$2 NLHE 6-max: Set mine applies here?

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $0.80
UTG: $2.18 28/26 small sample
Hero (CO): $2.15
BTN: $1.30
SB: $3.15

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 4:club: 4:spade:

UTG raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) 7:heart: 5:spade: 5:club:
UTG bets $0.12, Hero???

Very small sample but I saw him cbetting quite often and I have a underpair on a paired board. I usually just let it go. No idea where to go from here.
 
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Yeah looks good good, whilst you may be ahead a lot here i think it's better to just throw the hand away, unless villain shuts down when his c-bet fails you could float then bet the turn, but tbh when we set mine we put villain on a strong range and we cant change our range for villain once we miss our set and put them on a weak range here.
 
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Yeah looks good good, whilst you may be ahead a lot here i think it's better to just throw the hand away, unless villain shuts down when his c-bet fails you could float then bet the turn, but tbh when we set mine we put villain on a strong range and we cant change our range for villain once we miss our set and put them on a weak range here.
I'd prefer a more resilient aproach. Folding when people c-bet when your hand is usually good seems pretty weak.
Not sure I like a raise thought but floating in position with what figures to be the best hand seems like a good plan. I'd also float with overs to bluff him on later streets or ace high because it has SD value depending on what comes on T + R.
 
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I tend to float these hands and try to take them down on the turn, but I wouldn't get too involved if he bets the turn
 
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I understand your logic guys but, its kind of contradictory to set mining, we should really be set mining when we think our villains have a strong range, once we miss our set we cant just think they're weak all of a sudden, if we thought they were raising wide then we wouldn't bother calling preflop. I mean of course 44 will be good here a certain amount of the time, but if we're planning on set-mining we dont wanna start getting tricky and deviating from our plan for the hand, (which would be to set mine against a strong range and get away cheaply when we miss) although if villain does play straightforward i wouldn't mind floating i suppose, if he is in anyway aggressive and likes double barrelling though, theres not many turn and river cards we're gonna like so its gonna leave us with some tricky spots.

I think what im trying to say is floating is fine if villain is a one and done c-bettor.
 
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I understand your logic guys but, its kind of contradictory to set mining, we should really be set mining when we think our villains have a strong range, ...

I think what im trying to say is floating is fine if villain is a one and done c-bettor.
Didn't say set mining was the reason to float [assuming i'm one of the guys you're referring to :p )

And most people at 2NL won't double barrell with air. A turn bet would make it an easy fold
 
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Yeah sounds reasonable i probably call the flop a lot when IP but i was just trying to reinforce how important having a plan is to OP, if we were set mining and putting villain on a strong range (which i thought OP was doing), then once we miss we should just give up. But as we're in position here and its 2nl i would call the flop a lot too unless he's aggro. If villain was a nitty opener UTG i'd be even more happy to call 44 in position, and then i would stop calling c-bets as much though.
 
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I agree with everything Acky's said,

I'd be looking at his RFI stats and obv cbet flop & turn stats, if he is a nit UTG then i set mine and fold OTF if i miss, if he raises a bit wider UTG then set-mining becomes a plan B imo, i'll be looking more at his cbet stats to work out a plan for post flop before the flops came down, b/c like Acky said, if he's raising wide UTG then we can't be just set mining, we need to look at how he's cbetting and see if theres money to be made there, if not then I prob just fold here

Like here, depending on how much he opens UTG and how he cbets my decision would be completely different
 
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The smaller of a read (ie smaller sample) you have, the less you should be hero calling. Our hand is good a large % on the flop, but we have two more streets to play and no idea how often villain barrels or anything. What do we do to double barrels on...well any turn card?

Your hand has reverse equity here - a small PP is a perfect example of this. Your hand is often best, but basically never (-%5 or whatever when you hit a set) increases in equity. It can only get worse. Not good spots to hero call.

With reads it's a different story. When we know he double barrels often but gives up river, then we can call good flops/turns and give up river bets for example.
 
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what if villain bet less... like 1/3 the pot?
 
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The only reason to call here preflop is to set mine, not to try to bluff catch because you think he has AK. BTW, AK isn't far behind here. The fact that the board is already paired kills your equity.

Board: 7h 5s 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.641% 61.19% 00.45% 9692 72.00 { 4c4s }
Hand 1: 38.359% 37.90% 00.45% 6004 72.00 { AKs, AKo }

Compared to an overpair



Board: 7h 5s 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.328% 75.33% 00.00% 71592 0.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 24.672% 24.67% 00.00% 23448 0.00 { AKs, AKo }


vs. a tight UTG range you're behind


Board: 7h 5s 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.187% 33.95% 00.24% 157284 1110.00 { 44 }
Hand 1: 65.813% 65.57% 00.24% 303816 1110.00 { 88+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
 
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