$2 NLHE 6-max: QQ standard fold?

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.25 (VPIP: 21.30, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 112)
SB: $2.86 (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 122)
BB: $1.70 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 237)
UTG: $1.35 (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 44)
Hero (CO): $2.30

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q:spade: Q:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.21, fold, SB raises to $0.36, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.80, 2 players) 4:heart: K:heart: 6:diamond:
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.40, 2 players) K:diamond:
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($2.20, 2 players) 5:spade:
SB bets $1.30, fold

SB wins $2.12
 
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I would raise the turn to see where i stand,very small that turn bet from sb.
 
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Raising the turn is horrible.

The hand is played fine.
 
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He was showing strenght on all 4 streets especially when he 4bets into a UG open and your raise you put him on JJ+ and AK. Looking at his stats he is a solid player even though his bet sizeing is strange. In my experience when players at these limits re-raise so small preflop they want to build the pot with their strong hands but are afraid to lose you if they bet big, so keep an eye on that. The hand us played well and i dont think there is much more you could do. Nice fold on the river. Good to see you are not getting atached too much to your cards. The only mistake here is playing at this table. Why are you sitting with 5 nits around you? They arent going to make you money. Make your life easier and go find some fish to play with. Table selection is key.
 
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He was showing strenght on all 4 streets especially when he 4bets into a UG open and your raise you put him on JJ+ and AK. Looking at his stats he is a solid player even though his bet sizeing is strange. In my experience when players at these limits re-raise so small preflop they want to build the pot with their strong hands but are afraid to lose you if they bet big, so keep an eye on that. The hand us played well and i dont think there is much more you could do. Nice fold on the river. Good to see you are not getting atached too much to your cards. The only mistake here is playing at this table. Why are you sitting with 5 nits around you? They arent going to make you money. Make your life easier and go find some fish to play with. Table selection is key.


True true but I don't mind being the lag on the table.
 
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Fold flop, his 4-bet range is most likely AK, KK and AA and QQ but unlikely given your hand. Call pre-flop is fine, but our only outs here are the 2 Qs,

Given how small he bets on flop and turn his hand might look like AA, which you could raise on turn but not on this limit..
 
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Gripsed? I'm not following sorry..
 
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Standard play thus good fold river.

I suspect at least hes holding AK which you are still losing.
 
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If you pay in turn it is to pay river. If you thought river to fold no sense to pay river. While it seems a solid player and rank should be very strong, it makes me doubt your bets sizes. For as he shook hands or have nuts or mountain air.
 
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You can fold the turn honestly. Based on how SB is playing, QQ isn't beating much of his cold 4-betting range, and after a king high flop you aren't really beating anything but JJ. As played, I would never call the river.
 
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Looks all the way like you were being milked by AA hence his slightly nervous looking turn bet. I would have folded on the flop to the overcard K there are simply way to many in his range.
Possible a turn shove could get a thinking player to fold AA here but not at 2nl they aren't good enough to get away from the hand.
 
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On the other hand I still think the hand is suspect. I think if villain has a qq + I fold pre flop range. If I pay on the flop and turn also paid on the river. I'm not sure if I would make villain AA pocket the third bet. Insert the third serious commitment to pay you or jj qq but nothing worse you pay.
 
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Does villain barrel AA 3 times here after getting called flop and turn. I would say missed Axh draw, but the bet size on the river has me confused. Hero should have a K here a lot imo. AK most likely but i pay it off.
 
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Fold flop, his 4-bet range is most likely AK, KK and AA and QQ but unlikely given your hand. Call pre-flop is fine, but our only outs here are the 2 Qs,

Given how small he bets on flop and turn his hand might look like AA, which you could raise on turn but not on this limit..

Agree with this, especially from a cold 4 bet from the blinds. I don't think calling the flop is too bad though but I would lean towards folding. I am never calling the turn.
 
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why are you calling turn and folding river???????
Your only options are call turn and call river, or fold turn....... what are you hoping to do on the river after calling the turn, the 5 changes nothing.

FOLD THE TURN!!
 
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I felt good after the small raises.

that river bet felt too much value getting for my liking.
 
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You need a clear line of thinking.

It's very hard to gauge the villains betting, because he seems to bet very small. And this can be interpreted a few ways - so my thought would be, how has his previous betting looked? Does he consistently make small bets? If so, then I think we put him on a standard value raise: AA, KK, AK, maybe QQ. If your opponent generally uses more traditional bet sizing, then I think we remove AA and KK from his range, and his range looks more like AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, TT - hands with value where your opponent wants to take control of the hand without having to spend a lot to do it. And it's very important to puzzle this out pre flop because the hand plays very differently depending on which assumption you use.

Standard TAG with small bet sizing: when the K hits on the flop I think calling isn't a good option. All of his range is now ahead. The question now is: do we figure out a bluffing strategy, or fold? I think given his perceived range of AA, KK, AK, and maybe QQ, it's unlikely we fold out better. We can try to rep Aces and assume he has AK... given that his bet is on the small side I think raising Aces would be believable... if the player is a thinking player. But, getting people to fold top pair on micros is no easy feat.

I think fold flop is the optimal play.

Unless we think our player 4 bet light in an attempt to take control of the hand.

Now we think your Queens can be good right? So what hands lead out that you can beat? How about AQ of hearts? Maybe that TT & JJ I keep talking about. So right now, his range is AK ahead, with 12 combos; and TT, JJ, QQ, AQ hearts that you beat (or chop) - 14 combos. Given that we're roughly even with his range and getting a good price, a call is fine.

Now, another King comes out. This is VERY IMPORTANT. There are now 4 less combos of AK that beat you! So if we called the flop, we are actually in better shape on the turn. Especially considering his bet is so small, I don't think we should ever fold the turn. Honestly, my thought would be: is there any way I could raise the turn and get called by JJ, TT, or AQ hearts? I think given our large pre flop raise, unfortunately probably not. Maybe we can get the one combo of AQhearts to stick around....

When the river blanks out these combos become the crux of our decision. If we think we may be good on the flop, and looking better on the turn, there's no reason to not believe our hand isn't good on the river. We are essentially split in our combos, 8:14. We are basically going to be ahead here 66% of the time, ish. With getting 3:1 on our money, we only need to be ahead 25% of the time, which makes this a snap call.

To reiterate: if we feel we are likely enough good on the flop, we are more likely good on the turn, and getting a good enough price to call the brick river.

So I think we only have two lines: fold flop, or call, call, call. And we know which line is best based on our history of watching our villain's bet sizing in previous hands.


It is important that call, fold; and, call, call, fold are NOT good lines.
 
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