$2 NLHE 6-max: QQ ip call min 3-bet pf. Flop 7T4, villain calls c-bet and check raise turn [6]...

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$2 NLHE 6-max: QQ ip call min 3-bet pf. Flop 7T4, villain calls c-bet and check raise turn [6]...

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Game started at: 2014/12/1 15:18:32
Game ID: 9404007 0.01/0.02 Raquel Welch (Hold'em)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 2: jdihzy (1.98).
Seat 4: iloveoov (4.73).
Seat 5: Lukas619 (10.21).
Seat 6: TeDx (5).
Player Lukas619 has small blind (0.01)
Player TeDx has big blind (0.02)
Player Lukas619 received a card.
Player Lukas619 received a card.
Player TeDx received a card.
Player TeDx received a card.
Player jdihzy received card: Q♣
Player jdihzy received card: Q♦
Player iloveoov received a card.
Player iloveoov received a card.
Player jdihzy raises (0.06)
Player iloveoov folds
Player Lukas619 folds
Player TeDx raises (0.08)
Player jdihzy calls (0.04)
*** FLOP ***: [7h 10c 4c]
Player TeDx checks
Player jdihzy bets (0.13)
Player TeDx calls (0.13)
*** TURN ***: [7h 10c 4c] 6♥
Player TeDx checks
Player jdihzy bets (0.30)
Player TeDx raises (0.90)
Player jdihzy calls (0.60)
*** RIVER ***: [7h 10c 4c 6h] A♥
Player TeDx bets (0.90)
Player jdihzy folds
Uncalled bet (0.90) returned to TeDx
Player TeDx mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 2.16. Rake 0.11
Board: [7h 10c 4c 6h Ah]
Player jdihzy does not show cards.Bets: 1.13. Collects: 0. Loses: 1.13.
Player iloveoov does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player Lukas619 does not show cards.Bets: 0.01. Collects: 0. Loses: 0.01.
*Player TeDx mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 1.13. Collects: 2.16. Wins: 1.03.
Game ended at: 2014/12/1 15:20:17
 
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Strange hand... do you know anything else about the villain?

If not, I think we can open with a bit more or 4-bet pre-flop most of the time.

As played, we can also make a 3/4 pot bet on the flop with the wet board.

The check raise on the turn is a bit unfortunate. Not many hands really get there or should have really got there, which is also part of the reason we want to be betting more for value before this stage.

Honestly, I probably would've went all-in with the hand by now. If we call the check-raise on the turn, we kind of have to call the river anyway in my opinion. If we were betting small for pot control and we believe his check-raise on the turn is probably good most of the time then we actually should fold here instead of waiting until the river. The only thing about our actual play that makes sense is if he semi-bluffed the turn with hearts and finally got there through the back-door, but then his play on earlier streets makes even less sense.

I understand the river fold as I know any Ace, set, straight, 2-pair etc. also beats us now but any hand he was representing on an earlier street should in theory be concerned about the board change as well. His story just doesn't add up much and neither does ours, so it makes a bluff a little bit more possible. We should be punishing him on earlier streets a bit more to help prevent this indecision at the end.

Overall, due to the fact he has 250BB, and that he bet the same amount on the river as he check-raised on the turn, he could easily be looking for a call, so I think it is possible we still made a good lay-down in the end. However, we only needed to call 90 to win a pot of 2.16 so it is close, and as played, I'm still not convinced completely either way.
 
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4bet pre,Jam turn, if he has a set get over it.


^^nerv did I play you on stars zoom 2NL, you hero called with AJ? Do you have a dead read on me or something? ;)
 
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thatgreekdude said:
4bet pre,Jam turn, if he has a set get over it
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Yeah, pretty much agree with this.

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^^nerv did I play you on stars zoom 2NL, you hero called with AJ? Do you have a dead read on me or something? ;)
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Yeah, that was me... board just played out nicely to be honest. :)

Basically my thoughts were I was out of position, had 3-bet pre, so I had already figured post flop that your better hands were calling and worse hands were folding if I showed further aggression - check calling was just generally better in the situation for value and pot control. There was a flush on the turn but I also hit top pair and I had a single club in my hand anyway so was still drawing to like the absolute 2nd nuts. Then your river bet was so polarised I just couldn't see it being for value unless you were really really sick and had like the absolute nuts, which is hard to have in poker, you know - it's just easier to have air. I also knew that you knew that you had to bet to win! I was like 70% sure. It was 2NL anyway. And it's poker. I like poker. :cool:

So yeah, never bluff the Nerve, kid! That said, most other board textures... it probably gets through... :laugh:
 
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n3rv said:
Yeah, pretty much agree with this.



Yeah, that was me... board just played out nicely to be honest. :)

Basically my thoughts were I was out of position, had 3-bet pre, so I had already figured post flop that your better hands were calling and worse hands were folding if I showed further aggression - check calling was just generally better in the situation for value and pot control. There was a flush on the turn but I also hit top pair and I had a single club in my hand anyway so was still drawing to like the absolute 2nd nuts. Then your river bet was so polarised I just couldn't see it being for value unless you were really really sick and had like the absolute nuts, which is hard to have in poker, you know - it's just easier to have air. I also knew that you knew that you had to bet to win! I was like 70% sure. It was 2NL anyway. And it's poker. I like poker. :cool:

So yeah, never bluff the Nerve, kid! That said, most other board textures... it probably gets through... :laugh:
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I was really beating myself up about it :D I only called KJo coz I thought I recognized you from cc :D I was shocked when you called most good 2NL guys will give me credit there, that would be a play I'd make with the nut flush when I play zoom I'll literally just go for max value on every nut hand because these guys are willing to call down with anything and everything, I'm 14/11 and running at 11.9bb/100 only over 40k though zoom 2NL is an absolute goldmine :D nice playing that one hand with you anyway I'll be more careful next time dude ;)
 
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Hah that's so nice /\


Thanks very much for your words people.... I seem to be having a lot of trouble playing TT-QQ... :/ pre and post flop.
 
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n3rv said:
Strange hand... do you know anything else about the villain?

If not, I think we can open with a bit more or 4-bet pre-flop most of the time.

As played, we can also make a 3/4 pot bet on the flop with the wet board.

The check raise on the turn is a bit unfortunate. Not many hands really get there or should have really got there, which is also part of the reason we want to be betting more for value before this stage.

Honestly, I probably would've went all-in with the hand by now. If we call the check-raise on the turn, we kind of have to call the river anyway in my opinion. If we were betting small for pot control and we believe his check-raise on the turn is probably good most of the time then we actually should fold here instead of waiting until the river. The only thing about our actual play that makes sense is if he semi-bluffed the turn with hearts and finally got there through the back-door, but then his play on earlier streets makes even less sense.

I understand the river fold as I know any Ace, set, straight, 2-pair etc. also beats us now but any hand he was representing on an earlier street should in theory be concerned about the board change as well. His story just doesn't add up much and neither does ours, so it makes a bluff a little bit more possible. We should be punishing him on earlier streets a bit more to help prevent this indecision at the end.

Overall, due to the fact he has 250BB, and that he bet the same amount on the river as he check-raised on the turn, he could easily be looking for a call, so I think it is possible we still made a good lay-down in the end. However, we only needed to call 90 to win a pot of 2.16 so it is close, and as played, I'm still not convinced completely either way.
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I could have had some read on him at the time and that could have counted on my decision making.

Dude, the depthness of your post is awesome.
 
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