$2 NLHE 6-max: QQ BTN vs BB, 5 bet AI.

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No way I can feel good calling here, is there?

poker stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2887173
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Hero (BTN): $2.77
SB: $2.46 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 3, AF: 5.3, hands: 182
BB: $7.13 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 3.0, Hands: 1364
UTG: $2.15 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 6010
MP: $1.98 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 9.0, Hands: 175
CO: $2.55 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 0.3, Hands: 65

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q :club: Q :spade:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.46, BB raises to $7.13, Hero?
 
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In most cases I would be more than fine getting it in with a player qs the blinds range, but this guy is overly nitty 3% 3bet, that is awfully low. I'm still fine with a call, but against this villain I probably find a fold.
 
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I'd fold here. Seems quite tight. Other than total fish at 2nl, I find a lot of players have tight ranges for shoving Preflop.
 
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Would be helpful if we know is he 3bet more from blinds or not. this is 3% 3b JJ+, AKs, AKo if he is this tight at BB too, that his 5bet AI is rarely AK JJ and even if he is having AK in his shoving range we are flipping against half of his range and are crushed against the other half AA KK.

nit players with 3b of 3 dont have stats 20/17 they instead have 9/7/3 stats, this guy seems more reggish with positional awareness who would 3bet more from blinds than other positions thus the stat is so low, against this guy QQ is call allin move.
 
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Would be helpful if we know is he 3bet more from blinds or not. this is 3% 3b JJ+, AKs, AKo if he is this tight at BB too, that his 5bet AI is rarely AK JJ and even if he is having AK in his shoving range we are flipping against half of his range and are crushed against the other half AA KK.

nit players with 3b of 3 dont have stats 20/17 they instead have 9/7/3 stats, this guy seems more reggish with positional awareness who would 3bet more from blinds than other positions thus the stat is so low, against this guy QQ is call allin move.

I like your thought pattern here and how you came to your conclusion however I tend to disagree simply because of the size of the all in. In this spot with his shove villain is polarized. So the question is do we believe villain with these stats is bluffing?

Hero has only invested 23bb so imho this is a fold. There are better spots to get villains money.
 
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It is not highly likely that player at these ranges would have 5bet AI bluff range. The real Q here is what is the range that he is planing to stackoff here. I dont think that 20/17 player with 3% 3b would only 3b 3% at plinds, im saying that he ir really positional aware and would easily stackoff TT+ AQ+ here

Im playing MSS and my 3b overall is 7 and i 3bet at BB 13,5% of the handfs and i stackoff TT+ AJ+ KQ, tight it up to fit 100bb stack and you get range that QQ plays pretty good against
 
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You can't 4-bet almost 1/5th of your stack and fold here. You should know this fletch...

Even if you give a really tight range like QQ+/AK+ only, you can't fold. This should be poker 101, and if it's not then come back in our study group. :)
 
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Why are we 4-betting this nit in the first place? He's probably only 3-betting 3.5-4% here. Just call and play a pot with position rather than turning QQ into a 4-bet bluff.
 
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You can't 4-bet almost 1/5th of your stack and fold here. You should know this fletch...

Even if you give a really tight range like QQ+/AK+ only, you can't fold. This should be poker 101, and if it's not then come back in our study group. :)

Why are we 4-betting this nit in the first place? He's probably only 3-betting 3.5-4% here. Just call and play a pot with position rather than turning QQ into a 4-bet bluff.


Thanks. Yea, I really made this hand much harder than it needed to be to play.
 
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3 3b

against a 3 3b like this I think you can cal the call betl here as a set mine as funny as that sounds. Youre probably up against AA or KK byt maybe occasionally AK so you can see how he reacts to a dry flop- (at least call one cbet) unless there is an A or K on the flop (and no queen) then I'm out.
 
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