$2 NLHE 6-max: Pushing semi bluff squeeze barrel on blinds

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I didn’t enjoy turn but I think this is correctly enough played, especially turn bet?

1. Reason I squeeze pre was that BU was very tight and SB made fast auto call.
2. Flop bet was mostly bluff, but also for protection, had he raised I would fold because he probably is fish now.
3. Barrel with over card and FD hoping villain will lay down all shit he will call; I suspect his range is still quite wide. Now there is argument hero has enough showdown value, but value is still quite thin. This step is probably closer checking than betting, but betting is not a big mistake I hope?
4. I kind of missed when barreling that I’m close of pot commitment. However, I think its ok in this case, given we have still strong draw. Let say villain has: { 66-33,Q6s-Q5s,Q3s,Ah2h} giving us 40%, we need 24%

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 15)
SB: 156 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 103 BB
UTG: 109 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 31)
MP: 104 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 108 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:heart: 8:heart:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, SB calls 9 BB

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: 6:club: 3:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 13.5 BB, SB calls 13.5 BB

Turn: (54 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 27 BB, SB raises to 80 BB, Hero calls 50.5 BB and is all-in
 
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I got no prob with the squeeze although I prefer flatting specially in zoom.

You got an unknown SB calling a big squeeze OOP. Safe to assume he has got a decent hand. Probably a pair.
I think I'd pot control here.
Not sure what's the correct line to take here but I'd personally like to check check call and get to river.
That's my opinion.

And I'd say the ranges you've put the villain on isn't very accurate. People would almost never flat a 3bet pot OOP with Q5s or similar unless a total rec & a station in my experience at 2NL. I'd go for a more polarised range
 
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About the range: it's more the villain having the goods range than his actual range. Granted there are some draws but they are more there to block me.
 
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All of your actions seem reasonable to me.

4. I kind of missed when barreling that I’m close of pot commitment. However, I think its ok in this case, given we have still strong draw. Let say villain has: { 66-33,Q6s-Q5s,Q3s,Ah2h} giving us 40%, we need 24%

I agree with Alucard here regarding the range in this comment being unrealistic. SB has called a raise and a 3-Bet pre-flop, and a flop bet, and now he is not just calling, but raising, your turn bet. This represents a hand that was strong pre-flop and is still strong now.

I'd say his non-bluffing range here is made up mostly of straight draws, flush draws with overcards, top pair, and overpairs, something like [AQ, AhKh, KhQh, 33-66, QQ-AA].

But this still gives you 36% equity, even assuming a 0% chance that villain is stone cold bluffing.

214BB in pot and 50.5 to you to call, so you are getting a great price here. My initial instinct would be to fold, but I believe the call is correct. Expect to lose, but the pot odds are too good to pass up.
 
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Thx, yeah it starts to seem that this is one of those whatever spots. Alucard saying passive line and AlexTheOwl saying it’s ok to barrel.

For some reason flop bet seems better for me than checking behind. I think we get value from some weird draws and also from his broadway range, making him to call a lot. Only problem is bloating pot. If our hand is weak this should be ok, if our hand is medium strength it’s not ok.

But is our hand on the flop weak or medium strength, I can’t decide. Also I’m not sure if I’m hallucinating by claiming weak/medium dictates if flop bet is ok. After all if it’s medium strength we could be protecting it by betting. I wrote on 2. “mostly bluff, but also for protection” that would mean hero’s hand on the flop is more weak than medium, but has medium component too.

Ps. What kind of player calls from SB and then calls a 3bet out of position? There is no more reasonable range for him left. Yes sometimes it can be like discussed but even more so it can be ridiculously wide.
 
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3 bet larger pre. Also agree with the passive line post
 
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For some reason flop bet seems better for me than checking behind. I think we get value from some weird draws and also from his broadway range, making him to call a lot. Only problem is bloating pot. If our hand is weak this should be ok, if our hand is medium strength it’s not ok.

But is our hand on the flop weak or medium strength, I can’t decide. Also I’m not sure if I’m hallucinating by claiming weak/medium dictates if flop bet is ok. After all if it’s medium strength we could be protecting it by betting. I wrote on 2. “mostly bluff, but also for protection” that would mean hero’s hand on the flop is more weak than medium, but has medium component too.

Suppose we give villain a range of [22+, AJ+, KQ]. Your equity on the flop is 54%. You are ahead. You have position. You have the initiative. It's a pretty good situation.

But it's a vulnerable top pair. More than half of the cards in the deck are higher than 6, so the next card that comes is likely to be an overcard. I think you are betting to get value for your top pair hand, and also to protect that hand.

I'd probably have gone a little bigger on the bet sizing.

Ps. What kind of player calls from SB and then calls a 3bet out of position? There is no more reasonable range for him left. Yes sometimes it can be like discussed but even more so it can be ridiculously wide.

Players are more unpredictable at the micros. Many are new to the game. Squeezing and semi-bluffing are riskier at this level. Players aren't sure when they are supposed to raise or fold.
The part of this hand that I like the least is pre-flop, where you are semi-bluffing two players, one unknown, at this level. I don't think it's unreasonable. I'm not sure whether it's profitable or not over the long term. It might be.
 
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3 bet larger pre. Also agree with the passive line post
As in very passive like Alucard said, or are you ok with flop bet? Also do guys mean {check-chek||fold-check||call} meaning there can still be call on the river, but fold on the turn? Thin line between weak and passive here?

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 8

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 5 6 3
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (27 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 18 BB, Hero ?

I think you are betting to get value for your top pair hand, and also to protect that hand.
Yes, you are right I was confused :damnmate: . Mostly for value, secondary protection, thirdly bluff preparing to barrel his medium pairs (his most likely holding) off the hand if turn gives us an opportunity, the bluff component is very small, as there is not many better hands he would fold even to the barrel. That said, if river is broadway I should 3barrel and he should fold medium pairs?
 
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That said, if river is broadway I should 3barrel and he should fold medium pairs?

I meant if we disregard the low limit we are at, never bluff the fish and so on, but more in theory vacuum.
 
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As in very passive like Alucard said, or are you ok with flop bet? Also do guys mean {check-chek||fold-check||call} meaning there can still be call on the river, but fold on the turn? Thin line between weak and passive here?

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 8

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 5 6 3
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (27 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 18 BB, Hero ?


Yes, you are right I was confused :damnmate: . Mostly for value, secondary protection, thirdly bluff preparing to barrel his medium pairs (his most likely holding) off the hand if turn gives us an opportunity, the bluff component is very small, as there is not many better hands he would fold even to the barrel. That said, if river is broadway I should 3barrel and he should fold medium pairs?

Now I am confused. In the original post the turn was Qh. You semi-bluffed with 2nd pair and a flush draw, and called an all-in re-raise. You were behind, but the call made sense because of pot odds.

Are you asking what we would suggest if the turn was Qs instead?

If the turn was Qs, all you have is 2nd pair. Villain has called:
- pre-flop raise
- pre-flop re-raise
- flop bet
Villain looks very strong here. The Qs does not help your hand at all, but it may help his hand. I would check.
 
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That was the passive line where hero does not CB, and turn is Broadway. Heart would make it too easy.
 
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We are always calling turn if we check back flop and I don't mind betting flop and checking back turn but double barreling is optimistic
 
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We are always calling turn if we check back flop and I don't mind betting flop and checking back turn but double barreling is optimistic

Amen. Sounds so true, that it must be true.

Now I just need to learn to call that turn, that is going to be difficult.

Btw this was those hands no-one never guesses what he had :icon_geek
 
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