$2 NLHE 6-max: Playing KK on a wet paired board

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 13)
BB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 30.36, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 41)
MP: 50 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 117 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has :kd4: :kh4:

fold, MP checks, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) :4d4: :5c4: :4c4:
MP bets 11 BB, Hero ???
 
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I would be more than willing to raise that a pot size bet. the odds of him having a four are very slim, your one card from the house, not great odds, but still have a pair of king. I would be ready for an all in with no ace on board. you really want to collect the pot at this stage, you sure don't want him to draw and hit a 3rd Jack or something. Peace" and Happy Bank Rolling....
 
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That's what I thought, too. I raised the pot to punish flush chasing... I raised it a bit more, since they were short-stacked. So I forced them to fold or go all-in to make decisions easier on my part.

Would you say that the hand was correctly played?
 
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Board isn't wet, and villain is short. Cram it in.
 
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That's what I thought, too. I raised the pot to punish flush chasing... I raised it a bit more, since they were short-stacked. So I forced them to fold or go all-in to make decisions easier on my part.

Would you say that the hand was correctly played?

I would. Villain doesn't look to have many 4s after check calling preflop. Possible she has 33, but not likely. Possible there is a straight draw, but again not likely. Flush draw looks to be the most likely. Flush draw with an ace is a 40/60 dog. Flush draw with A3 or A2 is 50/50. Hero should definitely raise and force Villain to commit now.

If Villain just calls, Hero is left with a pot size bet to put Villain in on any non flush or ace turn.
 
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So, suppose that the hero raises at this point and forces the villain to go all-in. Then suppose that the villain calls and the hero loses against a set, a flush, or a straight. Could that be considered a cooler?
 
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So, suppose that the hero raises at this point and forces the villain to go all-in. Then suppose that the villain calls and the hero loses against a set, a flush, or a straight. Could that be considered a cooler?

consider all the combos they have you beat. But fish does weird things
Then you'll have your answer
 
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My play here will be call almost on every street, and let them hang themselves.At this stakes players tend to pot donk bet their top weak pair in order to push you out from all A and K high, and they probably are running to two outs in a paired flop.
 
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MP is only playing with 50bb and is donk betting in you with a pot sized bet on a paired board. So he's obviously a big fish and I tend towards just calling the bet.
When he has a 5 or a flush draw you will get it in later anyway. When he's just randomly bluffing you're chasing him out of the pot by going all in. He probably won't fold any pair on later streets too.
Even if a third club appears on the turn you should never fold this hand. I would just call him down or shove on the turn when a favourable card appears.
I think raising on the flop can be good too but at the end of the day I think it doesn't even matter what you do because mostly stacks are going in anyway.
 
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I think raise / go broke on flop is best. He will overplay many overpairs/draws here.
 
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Raise on the flop with a pot size bet.
 
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Thank you all for your comments. I now feel good about my play. I crammed it in on the flop, but I didn't really like the outcome. I was wondering whether my play was correct. Now I think that it was. They could have flush draws, straight draws, and indeed be overvaluing an overpair. Mathematically, getting it in on the flop is +EV against those hands.
 
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Raising on the flop is best. If for some reason he did have a 4, or called the raise and later got a flush then yes that is a cooler. You played the hand correctly in my opinion.
 
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