$2 NLHE 6-max: Playing Draws in Position

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AG%): 32/26/53 28 hands

In general is it best to just call CBet and bet turn if they check or Call turn if they bet again and fire river if they check if you draw doesn't hit.

I know in this example I actually hit the flush on turn but if it didn't hit do you bet turn when they check??




poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.66 (133 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.48 (124 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.75 (137.5 bb)
CO: $1.99 (99.5 bb)
BTN: $1.94 (97 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K
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Q
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UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) J
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8
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5
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26

Turn: ($0.90) J
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.90) 4
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.57, SB folds

Results: $0.90 pot ($0.03 rake)
Final Board: J
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8
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5
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J
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4
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SB mucked and lost (-$0.44 net)
Hero mucked K
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Q
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and won $0.87 ($0.43 net)
 
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Just bet the turn. He's not folding the As if he has it, but he will fold that on the brick river.


I'd be tempted to raise the flop, though. Pot being 3-bet preflop and his stats seeming semi-decent if a little hot after just 28 hands would make me lean towards a call.
 
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Yeah, I bluff-raise the flop. His 3-bet stats are probably decently sized here (6%+), so we're not assured of getting paid off when we hit, and we'll get a decent number of folds from TT, overcards.

As played, bet the turn, bet the river, lalalalla.
 
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Calling 3b preflop is fine IP, but personally, I am calling to flop huge hands, huge draws, not to hit TP and get it in. With that being said....

Bet turn, bet river. You called flop to hit a flush, now get some $$$!! What are you worried about? That V has quad jacks? Bet that flush. Get value.

Calling flop is fine, but we could raise also. If we raise though, we can open a can of worms, if villain re-raises. Since V did 3b preflop, this might actually happen.

Considering you have position, and it was 3b preflop, I think floating him is better here. He could just be c-betting, and we can just bet the turn (unimproved) and win sometimes anyways.
 
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I wouldnt bet the turn if he checks, generally take the free card, but it does depend on the bet sizing on the flop and the amount that can be won. If he bets a 1/3 - 1/2 pot on flop i might think about betting the turn after the flat call, but if hes betting more than 1/2 pot I'd just take the free card. I think you will lose value if you bet into someone with just a draw all the time. There are generally more variables at play than just a bet or call or a draw or pair. Id keep close attention to the amount that is bet compared to the pot, that will generally give you an idea on what to do.
 
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Calling 3b preflop is fine IP, but personally, I am calling to flop huge hands, huge draws, not to hit TP and get it in. With that being said....

Bet turn, bet river. You called flop to hit a flush, now get some $$$!! What are you worried about? That V has quad jacks? Bet that flush. Get value.

Calling flop is fine, but we could raise also. If we raise though, we can open a can of worms, if villain re-raises. Since V did 3b preflop, this might actually happen.

Considering you have position, and it was 3b preflop, I think floating him is better here. He could just be c-betting, and we can just bet the turn (unimproved) and win sometimes anyways.

I wasn't worried about anything on the turn just thought as he was aggressive he might call 1 bet if I bet turn, but if I checked turn and underrepped. Id get at least one Bet and possibly 2 if he fired out on River
 
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BET THE TURN!!!

Honestly, the best thing I ever learnt to do when I was at 2NL was to fast play strong hands. You're not going to get a good win rate if you try to slow play and be all trappy like this. The best way to beat 2NL is to just play straight forward and try to extract as much value as possible the times when you hit a hand. This means betting the turn - and betting big - when you hit your flush. Not only will you extract value from sticky pairs, but you'll also protect yourself from hands that could beat you by the river (eg. the Ace of spades). And if the villain folds to your turn bet, so what? He was probably going to give up anyway. Either way, you're not going to win his stack by checking back the turn.
 
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