$2 NLHE 6-max: Losing stack against second set

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Ale26021

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Hello,
I had a question about a hand I played today and how my mistake could have been prevented. I am pretty good at extracting fat value at micros for now. Though I have trouble getting away from TPTK when I may be beat. I am still in the bet, bet, shove mentality that I use against fish but sometimes the following happens:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $0.72 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 4)
BTN: $1.60 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: $2.17 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: $2.03 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (UTG): $2.03

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A:heart: K:spade:

Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, fold, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24, 4 players) J:heart: 4:heart: A:club:
SB checks, BB bets $0.07, Hero raises to $0.28, fold, SB raises to $1.14, fold, Hero raises to $1.97 and is all-in, SB calls $0.83

Turn: ($4.25, 2 players) 9:heart:

River: ($4.25, 2 players) J:club:

SB shows 4:spade: 4:diamond: (Full House, Fours full of Jacks)
(Pre 54%, Flop 92%, Turn 80%)
Hero shows A:heart: K:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 46%, Flop 8%, Turn 20%)
SB wins $4.10

Thanks in advance!
-Alessandro
 
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Meh, seems pretty standard readless at 2NL.
 
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MinhANguyen

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Flop raise is good. Fold to the flop 3-bet. Our range has a ton of Ax in it. SB is almost never making a move here and coming over the top of a bettor and the PFR's raise.
 
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Only 44 and AJ beat us here and this is a super wet board and we saw the flop with an spr of 7. People dont make moves at 2NL, they spew and they do it often.
 
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Personally, I would have folded to the 3bet on the flop. You can't always fall in love with top pair, top kicker. Especially on a board like that.
 
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Quite easy to overvalue TPTK when someones playing back at you at the micros. Readless I wouldn't be too hard on myself for this, but that check/raise from sb is super strong and probably a sign you're beat. However, at 2nl you occasionally run into a donk doing that with ace high flush draw.
 
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Quite easy to overvalue TPTK when someones playing back at you at the micros. Readless I wouldn't be too hard on myself for this, but that check/raise from sb is super strong and probably a sign you're beat. However, at 2nl you occasionally run into a donk doing that with ace high flush draw.

He can't have the NFD. We're holding the Ah.
 
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He's played 0/4 hands. We're not readless, he has some preflop discipline. I find a fold here.
 
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Board: A:club:4:heart:J:heart:
*******Equity*****Win*****Tie
MP2****49.09%**37.75%**11.34%*{ AhKs }
MP3****50.91%**39.57%**11.34%*{ 44, AJs+, A4s, KhQh, AJo+ }


Think this is a good range to assign a player that has the preflop discipline to fold 4 hands in a row.

Oh, and we only need 33% equity to call flop.
 
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Board: A4J
*******Equity*****Win*****Tie
MP2****49.09%**37.75%**11.34%*{ AhKs }
MP3****50.91%**39.57%**11.34%*{ 44, AJs+, A4s, KhQh, AJo+ }


Think this is a good range to assign a player that has the preflop discipline to fold 4 hands in a row.

Oh, and we only need 33% equity to call flop.
1) Your equity calc is entirely dependant on him playing AQ for a 3-bet in a multiway pot.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
202,950 trials (Exhaustive)
board: A:club: J:heart: 4:heart:
44, Ax4x, KhQh, AJ, AK 69.53% (108,370 wins, 65,477 ties)
AK 30.47% (29,103 wins, 65,477 ties)


2) We need more than 33% equity to call his raise, because it's for our whole stack, not just the $1.14 he raised to.
 
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1) Your equity calc is entirely dependant on him playing AQ for a 3-bet in a multiway pot.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
202,950 trials (Exhaustive)
board: A<font color='black'>♣</font> J<font color='red'>♥</font> 4<font color='red'>♥</font>
44, Ax4x, KhQh, AJ, AK 69.53% (108,370 wins, 65,477 ties)
AK 30.47% (29,103 wins, 65,477 ties)


2) We need more than 33% equity to call his raise, because it's for our whole stack, not just the $1.14 he raised to.

Your equity calc is entirely dependent on a 2NL player playing perfect solid poker and never overvaluing top pair or a draw. Also to never be spewing and just looking to GAMBOOOLLLLL.

I should take this opportunity to tell OP to not include results in the OP if he wants non results oriented responses.
 
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You can just fold to the exceptionally strong cold 3bet and not think much about it before moving on. You can think a little more I guess if we weren't holding the ace of hearts. SB should have just lead out on the ace high board 4 ways. Playing it as he did allows us to get away from this one once it's been check/raised to $1.14.
 
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I should take this opportunity to tell OP to not include results in the OP if he wants non results oriented responses.
Yeah, that is the worst.
 
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Really hard for him to have something we're beating when he 3bets the flop. There's AJ for top two, A4 for top and bottom, and 44.

But there are a lot of suited hands he could have like KhQh and 10h9h he decided to assert himself with. But this would be quite nonstandard when you declare strength by raising his lead. I rarely see them played like this on an ace-high flop especially after you raise. Could he ever be doing this with AQ... that's the one hand that he might play like this that you beat, but overall you're in rough shape if you get it in as even naked flush draws have significant equity against you and you're drawing almost dead against the three likeliest made hands he has. AQ is the only hand you smash, so against the overall range presented to you, I think you have to fold to the 3bet.
 
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