$2 NLHE 6-max: KK bad beat makes me sick.

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 12.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, hands: 267)
BB: $3.21 (VPIP: 29.70, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 168)
Hero (UTG): $4.40
MP: $2.00 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 2.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
CO: $2.62 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
BTN: $1.79 (VPIP: 32.61, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K:spade: K:club:
Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.07, fold

Flop: ($0.18, 2 players) 3:club: 2:heart: T:diamond:

SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, SB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.54, 2 players) 9:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.58, SB calls $0.58

River: ($1.70, 2 players) 5:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks
 
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You could maybe bet for thin value. 3-street peeldown kinda reeks of a pair, and if you have any air here QQ/JJ/AT will call. He doesn't have that many flushes.

I mean, checking back is the safer way to go, but it's a viable option. Regardless, you're usually ahead here.
 
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Checking back is very bad. People call down with any pair especially when no ace (Put you on AK), even if it was a flush draw from the flop it's a bet/fold.
 
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I like checking back, lower variance + you can't get bluffed off the hand.
 
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As played I'm happy checking back. JJ is outnumbered by sets and may not call vs a line this strong.

I'd rather we'd have sized this smaller. There's simply no need to pot like this. We're either miles ahead or miles behind and our hand is not strong enough to warrant such large sizing. Villains calling range here will be almost entirely pocketpairs so we're never looking to get it in when sets are very likely QQ may 3bet JJ may not pay off 3streets Txs is very rare and none of these hands will ever raise us.
 
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Bet less on flop, no need to pot it on such a dry board. Bet the same here as if you had missed the board, around $0.10~.

Again turn bet is too big.

So you pot flop/pot turn and check a relatively safe river card? Bet sizing is all off in this hand and needs serious work.

Bet the river ~$1.2 and fold if raised. JJ, A10 are more likely than sets even if they are outnumbered.

Also there was no bad beat in this hand.
 
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Probably backdoor flush arrived and coolered him.
 
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hero u gotta step it up poker is all about the 4 bet fold lol
 
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I like checking back, lower variance + you can't get bluffed off the hand.

One of the golden rules of the micros is to extract maximum value with your strong hands. An overpair (KK!!) on this board must be a bet.
IMO almost no 2nl player will fold a ten here, never JJ - someone said they might.
What you won't see in 2nl is people turning a hand into a bluff with check raising this river (unless you bet very small to induce) so really no risk to get bluffed off it in my opinion.
 
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One of the golden rules of the micros is to extract maximum value with your strong hands. An overpair (KK!!) on this board must be a bet.
IMO almost no 2nl player will fold a ten here, never JJ - someone said they might.
What you won't see in 2nl is people turning a hand into a bluff with check raising this river (unless you bet very small to induce) so really no risk to get bluffed off it in my opinion.

Good point. Also OP if you had 78 here would you bet the river thinking that a 2nl player can fold 10/X, JJ? I know I wouldn't. Therefore a value bet with KK seems good to me.
 
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One of the golden rules of the micros is to extract maximum value with your strong hands. An overpair (KK!!) on this board must be a bet.
IMO almost no 2nl player will fold a ten here, never JJ - someone said they might.
What you won't see in 2nl is people turning a hand into a bluff with check raising this river (unless you bet very small to induce) so really no risk to get bluffed off it in my opinion.

Nits don't play many Tx hands vs UTG opens from the SB. I'm a 28/24 and I would not call a single Tx hand here vs a non-fish.

{TT,99,22,33} = 12 combos
{JJ,QQ} = 12combos

If QQ never 3bet and JJ never folded this would still be wafer thin. Start taking away QQ and JJ combos (QQ unarguably needs to be negated regardless of stakes). Don't get me wrong I think it's close but there's no way this is a must bet on the basis that we have an over-pair at 2NL.
 
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As played I'm happy checking back. JJ is outnumbered by sets and may not call vs a line this strong.

I'd rather we'd have sized this smaller. There's simply no need to pot like this. We're either miles ahead or miles behind and our hand is not strong enough to warrant such large sizing. Villains calling range here will be almost entirely pocketpairs so we're never looking to get it in when sets are very likely QQ may 3bet JJ may not pay off 3streets Txs is very rare and none of these hands will ever raise us.
This.
It would be interesting to see his agression factor and fold to CBET on flop and turn OP.I need to know if he is capable of folding an 88 on such a dry board The fact that he did not 3-bet you means he has something lower than TT IMO.
The size of the c-bet helps you control the pot a little. He is not a total fish to pot every street for value. Actually the fact that he calls a potsize bet every street makes me thing he hit a set OP. So a 60% every street makes a little more sense and help you keep a good part of your stack if he shoves the river.
I would not stop valueing on the river though because he did not give me a good reason yet. Unless you have some good notes on him there is no reason to stop valuebetting the river. But you can make it light even though your hand has a good showdown value. Depending on your image you can be seen like a 3 streets bluffer.
 
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Nits don't play many Tx hands vs UTG opens from the SB. I'm a 28/24 and I would not call a single Tx hand here vs a non-fish.

{TT,99,22,33} = 12 combos
{JJ,QQ} = 12combos

If QQ never 3bet and JJ never folded this would still be wafer thin. Start taking away QQ and JJ combos (QQ unarguably needs to be negated regardless of stakes). Don't get me wrong I think it's close but there's no way this is a must bet on the basis that we have an over-pair at 2NL.

You are obviously a much better player then any 19/12. With those stats he's at least a semi fish and he is not robot tight. He's also probably not too positionally aware.
He has T9s+ and QTo+ in his range.Not betting here without further stats/reads is bad.
 
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from what i see, over betting the pot is 2much keep in mind that u want value from hand u can beat u dont want a fold from the hands u got beat and a call from the hands that got u beat, thats the reasult u got from those kind of bets.
 
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What could he be calling you with? 19/12 seems kinda taggy so I'm in the check it down camp after the cbet myself. After all, you only have a pair and you are either way ahead or way behind.....
 
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He had a runner runner flush lol

During the hand I had a feeling he had a strong draw hence the big turn bet, when the river came out I just knew he had the flush hence I checked. I didn't want to just burn money.

Yoshimii your right I need to work on my value betting, I just learnt lately that 1 pair hands like this should really have just 3 streets of value. Unless ofc we raise big preflop then we can push harder.
 
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Anyone got any good links or reads on bet sizing? This looks like a leak in my game.
 
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