$2 NLHE 6-max: JJ vs Button raise.

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So I'm very new to 6max games, But I know blindstealing /defending is used way more here.
Can we ever fold JJ to a 4-bet here?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($1.24)
MP ($2.18)
Button ($5.43)
SB ($2.34)
Hero (BB) ($2.36)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♣, J♦
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.28, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.64, hero ???
 
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Any stats? I feel they may be more relevant here than the fact that you are blind vs blind.

I would fold here, most people are never 4-betting lighter than JJ so you are probably flipping at best. Besides he took the most fish line ever. Min-raise to 4-bet, I mean who really min-raises a hand that they are willing to 4-bet unless they are desperate for action. This info tells us villain is a fish and we know the most common fish at these limits are the loose passives. You got 4-bet by a fish who is probably loose passive = fold.
 
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Yes. If villain is 4betting a range that doesn't allow us to get it in profitably.

Reads? History?
 
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Any stats? I feel they may be more relevant here than the fact that you are blind vs blind.

I would fold here, most people are never 4-betting lighter than JJ so you are probably flipping at best. Besides he took the fishiest line ever. Min-raise to 4-bet, I mean who really min-raises a hand that they are willing to 4-bet unless they are desperate for action. This info tells us villain is a fish and we know the most common fish at these limits are the loose passives. You got 4-bet by a fish who is probably loose passive = fold.

He didnt min raise, he 5x'd it, prob because of the UTG limper, which prob means he's kinda reggy if anything, still looks like a fold though because regs arent 4bet bluffing at 2nl.

Stats would help though
 
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Woops, thought it was 5nl. Either way a 5x raise to 4bet looks just as strong. Still a fold.
 
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A yeah sorry forgot the stats.
just played around 20 hands at the table, he was around 30/20.
 
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Fold imo, like said hardly anyone is 4bet bluffing at 2nl and you don't have enough hands on him to know much.
 
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Ah ok. I thought I'd give it a shot and I shove, he had AA
flopped a J tho.

thanks all!
 
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nice flopping the jack. i was going to say this looks like how id expect aa to be played.. i dont think i fold considering the limits and everything. probably never in good shape but i get 4 bet on those limits with worse then jj quite a bit
 
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Totally player dependent.
 
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