$2 NLHE 6-max: JJ facing c/r OTF

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Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $2.18
BB: $3.92
Hero (UTG): $4.05
MP: $1.89
CO: $1.40
BTN: $2.03

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02, CO posts DB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero has J:diamond: J:heart:

Hero raises to $0.10, fold, CO calls $0.08, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31, 3 players) 8:diamond: 9:heart: 3:club:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, fold, BB raises to $0.48, Hero?

villain is 20/10 only 40 hands. what type of hands could villain be c/r that we beat?
 
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He could be doing it with TT or some kind of 9 maybe. I think id just call here normally.
 
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The check/min-raise ... it's probably a fold. Not that I'm ever disciplined enough to fold here
 
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villain is 20/10 only 40 hands. what type of hands could villain be c/r that we beat?

99, 88, 33, 98, TT, discounted JJ-AA, 9T,J9s, Q9s, K9, A9, marginal hands raising for 'info' (8x/77-44/33/22), 67, 56, 7Ts, JT, QJ.
 
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I think you call and look to use your positional advantage to control the size of the pot - right now you have decent showdown value so just try to get there cheaply.
 
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99, 88, 33, 98, TT, discounted JJ-AA, 9T,J9s, Q9s, K9, A9, marginal hands raising for 'info' (8x/77-44/33/22), 67, 56, 7Ts, JT, QJ.

Why would a 2nl probable passive player (he's 20/10 and without a full stack) c/minraise draws or simgle pairs tho?
 
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Why would a 2nl probable passive player (he's 20/10 and without a full stack) c/minraise draws or simgle pairs tho?
fish may see TP as the nuts so naturally they raise
 
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Call and see the turn IP imo. I'm not folding to a min-raise here, just re-evaluate the turn.
 
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I agree he's probably passive CP, but often these guys have the mentality of raising for info/to 'take it down'/to protect rather than thinking in terms of value/bluff/collection of dead money.

They often obviously grossly misjudge the strength of their hand, so in their minds a pair (or maybe just TP+) is the nuts. From some opponents c/minraises can mean big relative strength, but the strength is relative to their thought process, so TP might be a 'nut' hand in his range.

I would discount plenty of hands in the range I listed, but you can't discount them completely, and when you match them up to the really unlikely sets/2pair (combination-wise), then you're doing just fine given your price.

If he bombs turn it changes things obviously.
 
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I agree he's probably passive CP, but often these guys have the mentality of raising for info/to 'take it down'/to protect rather than thinking in terms of value/bluff/collection of dead money.

That's why a c/r on the flop is way different from a Baluga, even from passives ?
 
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