$2 NLHE 6-max: Did I overplay this PP?

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 41.46, PFR: 2.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 43)
CO: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
BTN: 80.5 BB (VPIP: 60.98, PFR: 31.71, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 42)
Hero (SB): 146 BB
BB: 126 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 45)
UTG: 76.5 BB (VPIP: 15.22, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 46)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6d 6c
fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB

Flop : (12 BB, 4 players) 5s 2h 7c
Hero bets 7.5 BB, BB calls 7.5 BB, fold, fold

Turn : (27 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero bets 17 BB, BB calls 17 BB

River : (61 BB, 2 players) 4h
Hero bets 60 BB, BB calls 60 BB

My thoughts:
I'm fine with the open, table is pretty passive, probably could have even went higher considering the possible holdings of the other two but the stats were so ridiculous I wasn't sure if setmining 2 people might be more profitable and the MP was almost a guaranteed call so let me know if not isolating is a problem. I thought low aggression high calling potential, I might just want to see the flop and go from there.

I c-bet to show a little strength and maybe push out value hands. Also, the backdoor straight potential is there for a little more equity. I bet again for value, as the only real hands I think could be a problem would be a wild pair of 2,3,5 or 7.

The river completes my unlikely straight, so I go ahead with a pot sized bet, maybe too small, because it seems as though my opponent has a set or, maybe, an absurd 2 pair they flopped, and will likely call.

Hero shows 6d 6c (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 172 BB
3 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
 
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Don't like the raise PF. Then, you are betting 2 barrels, then you river the straight, but 6-8 got there too.

What do you think villain has when he calls flop? When he calls turn? Why do you keep betting?

I like a smaller bet on the river (as played, betting 2 barrels). You have to size the bet so a worse hand will call you. And, in this situation, if you actually hit the straight, how are we going to get paid off? There's 4 to a straight on board. I don't think anyone is paying off with anything you beat on the river (as played, potting it). It could be argued that check calling river is better here.


So, complete in the SB, do not raise. We are OOP with a hand that doesn't flop well. Keep the pot small postflop. Because you bet-bet-bet all streets, I'm sure you are lost, and have no clue what V has. Were you betting because you thought you had best hand? We're you betting because you are trying to fold out better?

Because it looks like V either has some 7x, 2p, or 6-8 straight draw. So considering that range, what hand do you expect to call your huge river bet? I bet it's only hands we chop with or lose to.

Why did you bet all 3 streets?

In poker, we bet for value, or bet as a bluff. If you don't know why you are betting, don't bet.


I am off to check spoiler now, to see if V has 6-8 like I thought.
 
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I think you got really lucky here. You were probably behind the entire way. I am surprised you got paid off on river. It is micros stakes, so I guess there are alot of dumb asses. Perhaps I am out of touch with the micros.
 
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I guess I didn't explicitly state I thought he had high cards in hand based on his tighter range. I'm betting because I do think I have him beat. I don't think he had 8 6 ever, even in the BB and I think the only thing I have to worry about is a face card hitting the board. I might have bet too aggressively but I don't think trying to get someone who overplays high cards to get into the pot. as for 68 getting there, I don't really see him playing that because this is the micros. If he chases that often with straights I'd imagine he is making a mistake. I know I've got a lot to learn but going off of ranges seems pretty reliable for the stakes I've been playing.
 
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I guess I didn't explicitly state I thought he had high cards in hand based on his tighter range. I'm betting because I do think I have him beat. I don't think he had 8 6 ever, even in the BB and I think the only thing I have to worry about is a face card hitting the board. I might have bet too aggressively but I don't think trying to get someone who overplays high cards to get into the pot. as for 68 getting there, I don't really see him playing that because this is the micros. If he chases that often with straights I'd imagine he is making a mistake. I know I've got a lot to learn but going off of ranges seems pretty reliable for the stakes I've been playing.



So you had reads on this specific player? Usually, any reads/player tendencies should be posted with the HH. This helps members give the best advice possible.

Even with that being said, I still don't like the line from start to finish.

BB was not the only person in this pot OTF. It was 4w.
 
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I would think your read is good especially if you are not getting reraised. Remember when people call quickly they are usually drawing. The Turn bet is the tricky part, with only a pair you should be exercising pot control.
 
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If you want to raise preflop, then raise a little bigger so you might actually get folds instead of bloating the pot with a low pocket pair multiway. 5bb+.
That said, just flatting to setmine is good too.


As played, I just c/c the river. But I'd be hesitant to bet the turn. We're likely not ahead.
 
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