$2 NLHE 6-max: Did I make a mistake check/raising the turn?

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partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, hands: 215)
BTN: 185 BB (VPIP: 57.95, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 11.64, Hands: 379)
SB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
BB: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 41.76, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)
Hero (UTG): 184 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:club: 9:club:

Hero raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond: 8:heart: 3:club:
Hero checks, CO bets 6.5 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) J:club:
Hero checks, CO bets 14.5 BB, Hero raises to 67 BB, CO raises to 88.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 21.5 BB
 
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I'd prefer a standard raise preflop instead of the minraise. Why not donk bet the flop? As played I really don't mind the check raise, looks super strong and you have plenty of draws to back up into.
 
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I would just ch/call the turn ,yeah you have many outs but still dont like to ch/raise the turn with one card to comme if i dont have yet my han completed
 
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Personally, I think you play the turn too aggressively.

I like to hear others opinion about your semi-bluff though.
 
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I would have like to flat call the turn and then evaluate on the river. If villain bets big on the river then i give up on the hand. If he continues with his value bets then i might look him up.

Although i can understand the temptation to raise the turn with our hand. That looks like such a sweet turn card. Resist this temptation my friend.:canabis:

If villain had a slightly smaller stack say around 65-75 bb then check shoving the turn is less of a risk. Here is a bit too aggressive is what i think ... ;)
 
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If it was me I would play the suited connectors with a limp and probably wouldn't call that raise preflop. I want a lot of people in the pot with big stacks so if we can make a monster hand we can get their whole stacks? Also you are out of position which makes it worse. I might be wrong tho, can someone say what do they think about the preflop action?
 
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I haven't played for five years. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.

What was the thinking on the turn? Fold out better? Protect against overcards?

Isn't his range something like AQ+/TT+ with the occasional spaz bluff thrown in?

I could see an argument for calling down a brick river if we think villain is tilting. But raising the turn? I don't like it.
 
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Looking at his stats he seems competent and not overly aggressive. The small 3bet in position with his stats looks like he is fishing for a call.
Initially I don't mind your attempt to take the hand away from this guy on the turn. There is clearly more than one way to play the hand. BUT imo it is the sizing of the turn bet that looks all wrong to me.
After he bets the turn there are 39bb in the pot and then you overbet double the pot to 67bb?? This is a pot committing bet for both of you and leaves you with no leverage on the river at all.
Looking at the hand again I note that if you backdoor the flush he will never believe you have a flush so your implied odds are still very good.
So what reraise sizing is correct? As it's a raised pot pre, its actually awkward to find a sizing that is strong enough to shake off say an overpair without pot commitment becoming an issue. After his turn 14 is added he has 75 behind. Lets say we call his 14 (pot 53) and raise 25 bb, about half pot, this should fold out his weak holdings and prices out his weaker draws , it would be 25bb for him to call leaving him 50bb behind and a pot of around 80.
Is that enough room for him to let it go when you bet the river ? (because you should be betting hit or miss taking this line)
if he has an overpair he is probably still calling the turn suspecting a draw.
All in all im calling the turn hoping for a well disguised hand on the end.
 
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Pretty standard c/c on the turn. You're not pushing better hands out, and I'm not sure which worse hands you're expecting to call.
 
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Just remember if we are behind we are still often around 20-28% at best to win the pot.. So we don't really want to be pot committed.

I don't know the exact maths but I know it's under 30% unless we playing against a bluff. We have a lot of outs but being on the turn it's always unforgiving unless everyones in the hand.
 
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Well that's one way to find out if you're beat I guess. First reply is all the topic really needed. Too bad OP didn't share a little more of what exactly he was thinking if anything.
 
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