$2 NLHE 6-max: I folded JJ, was it to tight?

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This hand was a hard one. I was thinking that a 4bet PF in these stakes usually show strength, plus he did it 4x my raise. I think this shows lots of strength, plus with another raiser who calls it makes me think one of them has to have a real strong hand. What do you think of my fold? The 4bettor has done it to me before and I folded, so he could have tried to squeeze. I think JJ would easily be dominated most of the time here? one of them would definitely be holding an ace through to queens, so 16 cards could beat me here. But Ill show you what the flop was because it peed me off. Also we were all around 75bb

Holding JJ

Villain raises 4c
Hero raises 12c
fold
fold
Villain 2 raises 42c
fold
Villain calls
Hero folds

FLOP J K J

Both villains actually shove. Villain 2 checked the flop, Villain shoved and was than called. Villain 2 showed KK and Villain showed A10o.
 
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I was thinking that a 4bet PF in these stakes usually show strength, plus he did it 4x my raise.
He went 3.5x your raise, but it's not just showing strength with a 4-bet, it's showing a LOT of strength with a cold-4-bet. That's usually KK+, so good fold.

I think this shows lots of strength, plus with another raiser who calls it makes me think one of them has to have a real strong hand.
I'd put the other guy on AK/AQ/JJ/TT/99. Seeing how he was a lot weaker than that, I'd tag him as a fish.

The 4bettor has done it to me before and I folded, so he could have tried to squeeze.
A squeeze would be if you had coldcalled the initial raise instead of 3-bet. And that wouldn't have been as strong as what villain did now.

But Ill show you what the flop was because it peed me off.
Irrelevant. You made the correct call to fold preflop. What happens after that is of no consequence.

Oh, and tag the opener as a huge fish calling station. Befriend him, sit on his left *everywhere* he goes. :p
 
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Cold 4bet from normal player is monster like always, so I prefer folding. It's hard to do sometimes though ;)

Edit: just checked probability to flop quads is 0.25%, if you do EV calculation I wonder if you make profit...
 
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He went 3.5x your raise, but it's not just showing strength with a 4-bet, it's showing a LOT of strength with a cold-4-bet. That's usually KK+, so good fold.

I'd put the other guy on AK/AQ/JJ/TT/99. Seeing how he was a lot weaker than that, I'd tag him as a fish.

A squeeze would be if you had coldcalled the initial raise instead of 3-bet. And that wouldn't have been as strong as what villain did now.

Irrelevant. You made the correct call to fold preflop. What happens after that is of no consequence.

Oh, and tag the opener as a huge fish calling station. Befriend him, sit on his left *everywhere* he goes. :p

Happy to know it was a good fold. I wasn't sure if it looked weak or not to fold JJ
 
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good fold with the action given.
 
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