$2 NLHE 6-max: How you deal with overbets?

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partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 95 BB (VPIP: 24.99, PFR: 15.58, 3Bet Preflop: 5.04, hands: 4,095)
BB: 198 BB (VPIP: 29.36, PFR: 14.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.87, Hands: 2,961)
UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 14.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 4,017)
Hero (MP): 341.5 BB
CO: 127 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 13.91, 3Bet Preflop: 3.89, Hands: 3,828)
BTN: 57.5 BB (VPIP: 28.61, PFR: 14.66, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 3,178)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='red'>♥</font> 8<font color='black'>♣</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets 11 BB, CO raises to 50 BB, fold

CO wins 82.5 BB

what would you do? No information about villain
 
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Fold it!

He is repping a set or an overpair.

AJ is too weak.
 
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In 2NL its good rule to fold in cases you don't get it. Gives you solid 20bb/100. There is no way telling what he has, some players do it with AK, some with OP, some with any pocket pair. Here we have extra info that he 3betted pre, honestly you should have folded pre.
 
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In 2NL its good rule to fold in cases you don't get it. Gives you solid 20bb/100. There is no way telling what he has, some players do it with AK, some with OP, some with any pocket pair. Here we have extra info that he 3betted pre, honestly you should have folded pre.

Thanks for your answer, appreciate it.. It seems to me though way too tight to fold AJs pf on a 3bet at 2NL.. I mean its on 5% of hands
 
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Yeah I get that, if you feel you have great edge post flop then go ahead and call, it's still suited and if you hit good gives you huge pot. Just remember to have 2 of the following positon, skill or card edge (at same time).

If someone has overall 3bet 5% he won't be using that whole range against MP, big part of that 5% is actually quite trash hands used in blind battles, against funny players and against late position opens. So when you open early they are 3betting quite much tighter ranges, obviously player dependent, maybe around 3%. If you have loose/funny stats expect them to 3bet more than 5%. I would expect something like {JJ+, AQs+, AKo}, where AJs has 26% equity and OOP, it's good to write down what hands villain used to 3bet.
 
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My old data from 2NL 6max zoom: Overall 3bet 4.75, 3bet per position MP 2.77, CO 3.1, BTN 4.0, SB 6.1, BB 5.24
 
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I don't bloat the pot here by leading out into the preflop raiser I think that is a mistake here. Why are you betting the flop here? It is still good practice to check to the raiser.
I would check call the flop and look for further evidence I was beaten.
He 3bet so If he fires big on the turn I let it go at that point. You have over 300bb so he likely sees you as decent and not to be messed with and the utg is still to act. You have plenty of evidence he is strong so I just fold turn to his likely over pair.
As played just fold flop you think he 3bets KJ here? Which is essentially all you beat.
 
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This guy seems to be quite tight with his 3bets. We can either flat and see what the flop brings or 4bet bluff.. It all depends on your image with this guy and current mindsets.

easy answer flat.

Yay we hit but with his tight 3bet range we cant be happy. Id rather be seeing spades than the jack but hey he may have whiffed.

Why oh why would we bet here... we have already established a tight range which means hes most likely got QQ KK here

If he was wider the bet is also bad... he whiffs missed broadway Ax hands and calls with hands that have us crushed like a set or even open enders.

With such a dryboard we pretty much turn our hand faceup doing this donk bet on flop and our sizing is absolutely just say... we dont want a raise but take this donation for your time.

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Check to the preflop aggressor and get some info on what he does on the flop.
If he checks behind we can widen his range a touch and still beaware we can be cruahwd on such a dryboard.

So check to him.

1. Pot control
2. We get information which is nice oop since it can be hard to comeby
 
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