$2 NLHE 6-max: getting it in good? his 3bet range on PT4 said AQo

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: $2.33 (VPIP: 41.03, PFR: 25.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 43)
Hero (MP): $1.48
CO: $1.02 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 66)
BTN: $0.75 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: $0.97 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
BB: $2.83 (VPIP: 22.39, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 70)
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:
fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BTN calls $0.06, fold, BB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.54, fold, BB raises to $2.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.94 and is all-in
Flop: ($3.03, 2 players) T:heart: 7:heart: 9:diamond:
Turn: ($3.03, 2 players) 9:club:
River: ($3.03, 2 players) K:spade:
BB shows A:diamond: K:club: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines) (Pre 43%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Q:spade: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (Pre 57%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
BB wins $2.92

Well as you posted the results you can see that you've got it in good here. You're about 56% favourite. It's pretty much a flip so don't feel bad that you've lost this one. Come the turn, there's not even a 15% chance he's gonna hit the A or K so you'd be thinking you're good. It's just unfortunate he got there on the river.

All I can say on this hand is that the bet sizing by both of you is ridiculous. Stand raise to 3x but then his 3bet is 5x your raise for 15BBS. Seems massive. Your 4bet is awful. Not even two times his 3bet. That and you're not full stacked - put auto top-up on!

I flat the 3bet in positon and see what happens post flop. If you are gonna 4bet it just ship it in pre.

As mentioned about your sizing is horrible and you need to turn auto top off on.

My BR is quite low hence why I havn't bought it for the full amount.
Just trying to avoid repopping

So double the bet or shove? ... I think I was just seeing how much he would raise me to get a feel how strong he was, the higher the bet the weaker he was.

Once you 4-bet you can't fold, so the question should be should we 4-bet shove or not. Ignore 3-bet stats at this point unless you've seen him 3-bet utg raises with like, 99 or ATs or something, your sample size isn't big enough for 3-bet stats to matter that much.

I probably 4-bet jam but I'm not sure if that's good tbh. Feel like jamming will get TT-JJ to come along more than click 4-betting would.

doomasiggy said:

Ignore 3-bet stats at this point unless you've seen him 3-bet utg raises with like, 99 or ATs or something, your sample size isn't big enough for 3-bet stats to matter that much.

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Frankly 3bet PF is a ****ing useless stat period, because every 3bet situation is different, and as 3bets inherently almost always involve a lot of money with poor odds in polarized spots, not having precise info for those is a potential bankroll killer. Right here we need to SPECIFICALLY know his 3Bet range vs HJ open from blinds, which if he's any good is very very tight. You may very well have gotten lucky and ran into the very bottom of his GII range.

Shove pre all day long.(which is im sure what you were going to do anyways if he hadnt beat you to it)

Aleksei said:

Frankly 3bet PF is a ****ing useless stat period, because every 3bet situation is different, and as 3bets inherently almost always involve a lot of money with poor odds in polarized spots, not having precise info for those is a potential bankroll killer. Right here we need to SPECIFICALLY know his 3Bet range vs HJ open from blinds, which if he's any good is very very tight. You may very well have gotten lucky and ran into the very bottom of his GII range.

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So in saying that, because majority of micro 5nl and under don't stay at the table for longer than 50+ hands, 3betting is very dangerous knowing that the 3bet stat is useless?

Aleksei said:

Frankly 3bet PF is a ****ing useless stat period, because every 3bet situation is different, and as 3bets inherently almost always involve a lot of money with poor odds in polarized spots, not having precise info for those is a potential bankroll killer. Right here we need to SPECIFICALLY know his 3Bet range vs HJ open from blinds, which if he's any good is very very tight. You may very well have gotten lucky and ran into the very bottom of his GII range.

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3 betting stats is not useless. if he has a high 3bet stat we can easier assume we are good. how is it useless.? im not saying he cant show up with aces, but generally speaking, the higher his 3 bet, the more comfortably we can put more money in pre. esp here.

I think he somewhat makes sense though, say if we played 20 hands against our opponent and he's had a run of 4-5 hands which can happen... His stat will then become high.

We perceive him as 3betting light or depolarized and we fall into the trap due to the stats being useless...

Not entirely useless but I guess we have to be wary that when we use the stats its against people that we've been on the table with for quite sometime.

Buyin full, seeing as your short stacked shove preflop.
CO vs btn vs blind squeezes are super standard stack offs with AK/QQ and even JJ/TT depending on villains.

Well played, you don't want BTN calling behind as well.

Aces2w1n said:

BB raises to $0.30[/color], Hero raises to $0.54, fold, BB raises to $2.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.94 and is all-in

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I don't get why you raised only 24 cents to the 30 cents. That just exudes weakness and pretty much is asking for a shove from my pov.
Flat call + getting it in PF seems like a better solution

vinylspiros said:

3 betting stats is not useless. if he has a high 3bet stat we can easier assume we are good.

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Not if, for instance, every 3bet he has made is a resteal vs button and now he's 3betting the SB vs UTG open. See the difference?

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Not if, for instance, every 3bet he has made is a resteal vs button and now he's 3betting the SB vs UTG open. See the difference?

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yea,i see what you mean. there is truth here of course. Im speaking on a more general level. Specifically, i agree with you here though.

Considering you have the third best hand in NLHE, only 75bb and are versus an active reg this is an easy get it in preflop. And ya, just shove pre.

MaDaMan said:

I don't get why you raised only 24 cents to the 30 cents. That just exudes weakness and pretty much is asking for a shove from my pov.
Flat call + getting it in PF seems like a better solution

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After evaluating the hand and seeing all the comments and reading up all week


Blackrain: so this was actually a good way to play QQ to induce the opponent to getting it all in. Thanks for your feedback.

Well according to you shoving, which is what the opponent did, you shove when your weaker... After I had min raised and he openly shoved to close the hand right there and then. He showed weakness

My min raise induced my opponent to do an error and isn't that want we want to do? He should've realised a min raise was a powerful hand and fold, but perhaps he got caught up in the moment. And it's at the lowest levels so it's to be expected.

I'm far from pro but i'm learning slowly

vinylspiros said:

yea,i see what you mean. there is truth here of course. Im speaking on a more general level. Specifically, i agree with you here though.

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Yeah but like, the point is everyone's 3bet tendencies are different, and you really wanna know how often Villain 3bets from where. You don't wanna get caught with your pants down flatting someone lighter when they're 3betting the very top of their range in a given position, you know?

My last hand before going busto on ACR, I opened KQo UTG, got 3bet by a lag from the BB, and flt his raise because I didn't give him a ton of credit. Then I ran into AA. Turns out his 3bet vs steal was like 20% but his 3bet vs UTG was like 5%.

Aleksei said:

Yeah but like, the point is everyone's 3bet tendencies are different, and you really wanna know how often Villain 3bets from where. You don't wanna get caught with your pants down flatting someone lighter when they're 3betting the very top of their range in a given position, you know?

My last hand before going busto on ACR, I opened KQo UTG, got 3bet by a lag from the BB, and flt his raise because I didn't give him a ton of credit. Then I ran into AA. Turns out his 3bet vs steal was like 20% but his 3bet vs UTG was like 5%.

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i totally get what ou mean man. another strong and solid point your making here.The thing is that maybe.just maybe, your giving too much credit to your HUD???

I mean how many hands did you have on this guy (in the tourney) in order to rely on statistics and the pop up that much? you get what i mean?

When playing tourneys,i dont think its a good idea to even bother using a hud.assuming your playing only 1. i just think that huds are kinda DANGEROUS to use when playing in tourneys, cause you never know what villains might show up with. and the sample is never big enough to be reliable.

For example villain might be playing tight early and suddenly change speeds after a certain blind level. what do you think about this?

Don't do a lot of tournament play but yeah it's prob more gameflow dependent. Although you could filter HUD hands shown by stack sizes.