$2 NLHE 6-max: Folding set on river??

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Your thoughts on this situation would be much appreciated, Thanks :)

His line on turn just screamed to me that he was protecting a flush draw...

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2409125
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Hero (BTN): $6.82
SB: $1.98
BB: $3.12
UTG: $2.42
MP: $0.75
CO: $6.14

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 3 :diamond: 3 :spade:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.11) 4 :heart: K :diamond: 3 :heart: (2 players)
CO bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.19) J :spade: (2 players)
CO bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.08

River: ($0.43) Q :heart: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $1, Hero folds

Final Pot: $0.83
CO wins $0.80
(Rake: $0.03)



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Preflop played well. Flop, you need to raise to like $0.15ish as the board is quite wet and you dont really want to be slowplaying on a draw heavy board. On the turn, you should be raising bigger to maybe about $0.25 as the jack brings in a few more draws and also hands that might be able to pay you off like JK maybe AJ QJ JT. As played, river bet is also too small, I think between $0.25 and $0.35 is fine. If you're not sure what size to make your bet, always go with bigger rather than smaller. When he raises though I think its a clear fold, hes almost never bluffing, well played.
 
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Also, stack sizes are so big compared to the pot when you hit your set your thoughts should be 'How do I get in the most amount of money as quickly as possible in order to get all in by the river?'
 
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You are in position, CO checks, I also prefer only check because of a flush on the board. As played - probably I fold the river to his raise, but as I said, here I'm not sure if I have the best hand here, so better just check and avoid hard decision.
 
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Seems like you played the hand fine here...however I am probably raising that flop since Kx could be in his range there...the turn comes a J....now is where you to start playing agro and I think you should raise a tad more there...If you put him on a flush draw...make him pay to suckout on you.....however flatting isn't a bad option either....On the river now the Qh comes...theres now a straight as well as a flush out there...your opponent pretty much played it like he had a flush draw....The safe play here would be to check...I don't think hes paying you off there with anything other than KQ.....check and don't risk being check-raised....Keep Grinding :)
 
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Raise flop. Size a bit bigger on the turn, river looks good
 
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Realised at the time that I should of been raising more on turn, however did not realise about a flop raise. I understand now where you guys are coming from and will hopefully adjust my play accordingly. Cheers for the input and insight guys!
 
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Raise flop for pot. Pot the turn. I Bet like 80% OTR and fold to a raise.
 
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Old saying;

It is better to win a small pot than lose a big one (on the river).

Thing here might have been to make that small pot bigger early, perhaps discouraging villain, but at 6 max u know he will be coming along with any Kx. So yeah to the big flop bet, and yeah to a bigger turn bet, and yeah to the fold when your gut is screaming at you.

However.....a set is still something to justifiably pay him off. He could easily be KJ.
 
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At 2NL you have to get value with your big hands. What I saw at 2 NL is that they do not fold a flush draw. It looks too nice. They will pay a big reraise on the flop and a pot size bet on the turn to see what the river brings. Even the regs do this.
So IMO you played the hand bad. You worry too much that you will not make a big pot because he will fold. The reality at 2NL is that they do not fold draws.
 
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At 2NL you have to get value with your big hands. What I saw at 2 NL is that they do not fold a flush draw. It looks too nice. They will pay a big reraise on the flop and a pot size bet on the turn to see what the river brings. Even the regs do this.
So IMO you played the hand bad. You worry too much that you will not make a big pot because he will fold. The reality at 2NL is that they do not fold draws.

I agree with you sir, so in that situation it is 90% certain that the trips are beaten.:)
 
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Set not trips. Trips is when two of the 3 are on the board and you hold the third one.
 
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Set not trips. Trips is when two of the 3 are on the board and you hold the third one.

Curiously, while browsing thru Super System yesterday, I read Doyle use the term 'set of trips'.
 
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I will also raise flop because opponents could have flush draw. He have good pot odds so he call your turn re-raise and you should raise bigger. I probably check the river
 
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Raise flop, we get value from Kx and all FD's and possibly SD's. Bet the turn when checked to. AP b/f is fine unless you know he can do this with less than a flush, which isn't likely at low stakes.

I would of raised flop
80% turn
and 60% b/f the river.

River is thin, but I still think we get some value from TP and random heroes. Not bombing the river because rarely do we get called with worse, IMO, unless we have a different read that he does.
 
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Pre flop call is great, With 300bb effective and position on our opponent this is a great spot to set mine IMO.

When we hit the flop our goal is to be getting as much money into the pot as possible, I believe we should be raising villains bet to at least .12c, more if we think villain is loose enough to call with a flush draw.

As played on the turn the raise is good, I probably would have made it more considering the larger pot, probably around .20c.

I believe that on the river we can get good value from single Pair hands (K,Q or J) probably up towards a pot sized bet, I would be making it closer to .40c, I don't think villain will like it but I see him calling with Kx here. When villain raises to 5x his range includes some KQ but overwhelmingly flushes, I believe the fold is correct.

Glad to see you got away from this one, this is a scary spot so deep, more info on villain would be needed before we think about hero calling the raise.
 
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cant believe people are still responding to this, but thanks for all your inputs anyway!!
 
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