$2 NLHE 6-max: Folding AA in 3-bet pot after flop raise

Hi,

I'm used to playing FR zoom and I can see that it is way nittier than 6-max already. I seem to be making more profit playing 6-max (mistakes are bigger as people try to play looser) so I'll keep doing that.

Here is the hand that made me tank until I had to fold, no read on villain. The kind of hand where I'd say I'm 75% sure I'm beat in FR, but what about 6-max? I expect he would flat a 3-bet with JJ-QQ, maybe 99-TT, AQs and KQs in position without info on me. Thx!

No Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02
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6 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($1.09)
MP - MP ($1.95)
CO - CO ($2.40)
BTN - BTN ($2.03)
SB - SB ($4.15)
BB - Hero ($2.00)

Preflop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is BB with Ac Ad
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, CO calls $0.14

Flop: 4h Td Jc ($0.41, 2 players - Hero: $1.80, CO: $2.20)
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.76, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $0.56 returned to CO

Total Pot: $0.81

CO wins $0.78

Hi. Without any read/information on the villain if its me I fold. To me that kind of bet would scream set, two pair at the worst. Obviously if you see him start to do this kind of overbet repeatedly you can start putting overpairs, tptk, big draws, and maybe even straight up bluffs in his range and definitely find a call.

I think folding is bad.
Id prolly have shoved flop or turn.

Vill can still overvalue QQ KK.. also oesd and even if vill has 2pair we can still suck out but its not enough times to fold out here.

Yeah, I kept thinking about it and I should have shoved. With a set I'm thinking he's losing value by raising like this if he has a set, the money goes on the turn anyway. Pretty sure I'm against KQ... or could be playing against a total monkey, saw plenty of those

Aces2w1n said:

I think folding is bad.
Id prolly have shoved flop or turn.

Vill can still overvalue QQ KK.. also oesd and even if vill has 2pair we can still suck out but its not enough times to fold out here.

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Yeah at 2nl in a 3 bet pot I just rip and sigh when he has us beat

gu3vara said:

Yeah, I kept thinking about it and I should have shoved. With a set I'm thinking he's losing value by raising like this if he has a set, the money goes on the turn anyway. Pretty sure I'm against KQ... or could be playing against a total monkey, saw plenty of those

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Your cbet seems small as well.... so it could encourage a raise from more aggro players hoping u have ak

I would shove after his raise and hope to hold... or hit my A to hit my 2 outer. He has a lot of hands that you are beating. Only 4 hands have you beat at the moment. 44, TT, JJ, and JT. Now he very well may have this, but without any info on villain, I say get your stack in the middle.

stoke

Not having a read on villain sure sucks but I don't think I could fold on the flop.

We could still be ahead on the flop, vill could have AT, AJ. I think if he had TT or JJ he may have 4bet. He could of had 44, if he isn't a thinking player as he was getting less than 2.1 to call your 3bet, he can ignore the 20implied as no-one is acting behind him.

The flop cbet to me is fine, a half pot bet is standard when you 3bet pre. When he raised, I would of shoved here.

I still think this is an all in spot. Reasoning is that sometimes people will flat with QQ and KK either thinking that they are trapping or because your perceived range is Ax so when there is no A on the flop they want to get the money in. Additionally they can do this with AJ but we have blockers to limit those combos.

I do agree that the flop is kind of awkward as people will also flat with TT and JJ.

To summarise:

Your perceived range is wider than QQ+, AQ+.
Opponents range includes TT-KK, of which there are more QQKK than TTJJ combos.
Opponents range sometimes includes 'weird' holdings like AJ, KQ, AK, AQ and may play the hand in a similar way as they think your range has missed alot of the time and is trying to bluff them out of the pot.
Opponent flop raise size seems more value orientated so it is less likely that they will be doing this with the 'weird' holdings.

Yeah, I'm now sure that not shoving was a mistake...

Thx guys!

One question comes to mind, if both players are 200bb deep, do you play it the same way? Do you call flop and see his next move on the turn?