$2 NLHE 6-max: Folded trip 3'3s on this board, good or bad?

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Ok, well the heading says "good or bad fold" I now know it was a bad fold and I guess I was outplayed here to fold the best hand.

Bit of history, villian had 35/20 stats. I've seen him raise before with mid suited or one/connectors at least so this is the reason I folded. I told him after I folded I had trip 3'3s..he said he had jacks so now I'm aware that I folded the best hand and well, I guess out played in the end..but thinking about it all now I guess he did play it like a top pocket pair because its standard for someone to shove on a board they have an over pair over too on a dangerous board. So what is your views, would anyone be folding here due to the board texture or not? Did I play it bad (well i know i did cos i folded best hand) but some help on this would be nice.

thanks


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SB: $2.72
BB Hero: $4.85
UTG: $2.17
CO: $0.80
BTN: $4.64
powerpok$334 - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt :3h4: :3c4:
3 folds, SB raises $0.03, Hero calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.08) :7c4: :6d4: :3s4: (2 players)
SB bets $0.06, Hero raises $0.12, SB raises $0.20, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.60) :7c4: :6d4: :3s4: :8h4: (2 players)
SB bets $2.42, Hero folds, SB returned $2.42

Final Pot: $0.60

Showdown:
mucks his hand
Outcome: SB wins $0.57
 
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What the ****???

Calling pre is OK I guess. I likely raise but w/e.

What's up with the min raise on the flop and dear God why would you EVER fold when he shoves the turn???

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don't min-raise the flop. Then 4-bet the flop. And never fold the turn.
 
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Don't fold sets.

Ok, I've used that theory many a times with boards like that the amount of times I'm happy to get it all-in and they turn over a flopped straight or turned straight it riles me up somewhat rotten. Are you saying it's unprofitable to ever fold sets? I'm serious the amount of times my sets seem to get out done by a straight or flush draw. Would you be saying don't fold a set on a flush board too or?

What the ****???

Calling pre is OK I guess. I likely raise but w/e.

What's up with the min raise on the flop and dear God why would you EVER fold when he shoves the turn???

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lol. Ok, well for one before I revealed to him I folded a set I kinda told myself I did a good fold. Like I was saying sets seem to lose me a lot of a money and I personally thought it was a big leak in my game like not letting go of aces or top pair or even two pair to straights/flush etc.

Are you deadly serious to never folding sets? For example only an hour ago I had queens and hit a set, board had a a straight draw.,10,Q,A. I flat called his bet on the river for $1.50 as I was sure he had a straight and he did, he held K,Jsuited for a high straight..so you saying you would be happy shoving these spots or what?

The min raise was actually accidental. When he bet first, I was ready to pump it upto 4x the pot but my son was climbing all over me so knocked my hand. Then he min raises again and thats when alarm bells started to sound. I guess I should of popped him big again because my first instinct here was a flopped set himself or flopped straight and wanting to get as much money as possible so thats why I flatted the bet. Then the shove on the turn made me think ok, 4,5 is definetly NOT out of his range here so I folded.
don't min-raise the flop. Then 4-bet the flop. And never fold the turn.

Can I ask why you think folding the turn here was bad? I mean in 6max suited/non suited connectors and 1 gap connectors are so common and very profitable to people holding aces/kings/queens for example. I've managed to stack off many times with stuff like this and even against sets myself with a open ended straight draw.

Like I also say I thought it was a big leak in my game previously not letting go of top pair on those sort of boards which could have me beat so bad...
 
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Actually thinking about it when you say never fold the shove on the turn I kind of understand that. Is that because he could be thinkin I had a straight draw of some kind and wanted me to pay to see it? As a straight here and a shove would of been daft as he isn't get value here for his monster hand he would of wanted to keep me in the pot right?

I understand that, I didn't have time to think like that at the moment though but that makes sense now and I guess if I had more time to think about it now I would of called assuming he had a top pair..

oh well..I guess it's easy when you know what they had and actually have time to replay the hand in your head a few times, kind of makes sense it's an easy call on the turn he clearly put me on a straight draw is that what you think and wanted me to pay for it?

Thanks for the replies guys, makes my decisions easier in the future ;)


EDIT: Well if I'd of a called anyhow we all know a jack would be coming any way haha :)
 
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Oh and Billy, just a quick one.

You say flat call was ok, say I re-raised here and he popped me again I'm folding this hand right? So, here I missed that chance of a set and stack off. I thought flat calling mid pairs was the correct way to play?
 
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Can I ask why you think folding the turn here was bad? I mean in 6max suited/non suited connectors and 1 gap connectors are so common and very profitable to people holding aces/kings/queens for example. I've managed to stack off many times with stuff like this and even against sets myself with a open ended straight draw.

Like I also say I thought it was a big leak in my game previously not letting go of top pair on those sort of boards which could have me beat so bad...

He has over pairs or A7/A6/76 type stuff often enough here to easily justify a call. In fact I'd say that's most of their range because a huge bet like that is usually to "protect". Plus, the 8 on the turn fills T9 (a gutshot), 95 (not raising pre-flop), and nothing else, so it's really not that much of a scare card.

Oh and Billy, just a quick one.

You say flat call was ok, say I re-raised here and he popped me again I'm folding this hand right? So, here I missed that chance of a set and stack off. I thought flat calling mid pairs was the correct way to play?

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Get ready...

It depends.

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Oh and Billy, just a quick one.

You say flat call was ok, say I re-raised here and he popped me again I'm folding this hand right? So, here I missed that chance of a set and stack off. I thought flat calling mid pairs was the correct way to play?
Yeah like CJ said it depends. I'm more likely to raise with it here for a couple reasons:
1) his raise was a min raise
2) we have position
3) my hand isn't so strong that folding it to a 3bet preflop will be costing me that much long term.

Also YOU should raise it preflop because YOU did fold a set postflop. :)

Seriously, if you learn anything from this thread it should be:

DON'T FOLD SETS.
 
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dont tell him not to fold sets because then he'll likely won't fold when he needs too e.g. when the board has 4 to a flush and it goes bet/raise, or when someone obv has a straight etc.
 
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dont tell him not to fold sets because then he'll likely won't fold when he needs too e.g. when the board has 4 to a flush and it goes bet/raise, or when someone obv has a straight etc.

Well yes there are times, but never on a dry flop like this one. Even the turn is a pretty decent card for us.
 
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dont tell him not to fold sets because then he'll likely won't fold when he needs too e.g. when the board has 4 to a flush and it goes bet/raise, or when someone obv has a straight etc.
If he never folds a set, even on horrible horrible boards, he'll make more money than if he keeps making "big folds" in hands like this one. But yeah obviously there are time when you should fold a set but they're pretty damn rare.
 
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how was his play prior to this hand, and what is his stats , he is LAG, TAG, what.

I would need more info on the guy before coming to a judgement on this
 
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how was his play prior to this hand, and what is his stats , he is LAG, TAG, what.

I would need more info on the guy before coming to a judgement on this

really? seems like a clear get it all in and fist pump to me
 
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really? seems like a clear get it all in and fist pump to me


But that depends.....if his vp is at somewhere like 40-60% then I just might call the first bet to keep the pot small, and see what he does on the river... knowing that his hand range could contain 9,T, or 4,5....if he check on the turn then i would check as well to see the river and what he does there too.

But if the Vp is like 10-20% then I would jam at the flop after the first bet, knowing that he could just be over betting a over pair, or 2 pair.

Then yet again , if his 3 bet was over 20% at the board then i would also jam in this spot as well.
 
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This is the only time I've ever folded a set. We're 400 big blinds deep, villain cannot be bluffing.

Absolute Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BMX_RIDER_1 (UTG): $28.06
BOXERAAAA (MP): $49.33
G0GETTA333 (CO): $23.00
JANET33 (BTN): $207.10
Hero (SB): $193.89
SALOU (BB): $106.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 7
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BMX_RIDER_1 raises to $1.17, BOXERAAAA calls $1.17, G0GETTA333 calls $1.17, JANET33 calls $1.17, Hero calls $0.92, SALOU calls $0.67

Flop: ($7.02) 7
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(6 players)
Hero bets $7.00, SALOU calls $7, BMX_RIDER_1 folds, BOXERAAAA folds, G0GETTA333 folds, JANET33 raises to $28, Hero calls $21, SALOU folds

Turn: ($70.02) A
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Hero checks, JANET33 bets $70.62, Hero cries a lot, and folds.
 
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are you seriously saying you've never folded a set on a flush or straight board?

how about when your fullhouse is counterfeited, like having 55 on 995 board turn or river brings a 9 and preflop raiser is going batshit crazy?
 
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As I said I watched this guy in other hands prior to ours and he was opening up with every suited connectors and gap connectors. His hand on the turn reaked of a straight and that's why I folded Dreams of Tragedy. He had 40,20 or something stats. Quite loose anyway.
 
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Billy! I folded another set!

Was this a bad put down or what? I felt he had a 5, well of course I would feel that. That's the hand that beats me along with quad fives but hmmm..what do you think here then?


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Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt :3c4: :2c4:
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02, UTG folds

Flop: ($0.14) :2s4: :2d4: :5h4: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB raises $0.20, BB folds, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.54) :2s4: :2d4: :5h4: :5s4: (2 players)
SB bets $1.28 (All-in), Hero folds, SB returned $1.28

Final Pot: $0.54

Showdown:
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holy shit jam that flop, you are burning money!!

(also you have trips, not a set)
 
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Billy! I folded another set!

Was this a bad put down or what? I felt he had a 5, well of course I would feel that. That's the hand that beats me along with quad fives but hmmm..what do you think here then?


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SB: $1.52
BB: $1.43
UTG: $1.79
BTN Hero: $3.74

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt :3c4: :2c4:
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02, UTG folds

Flop: ($0.14) :2s4: :2d4: :5h4: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB raises $0.20, BB folds, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.54) :2s4: :2d4: :5h4: :5s4: (2 players)
SB bets $1.28 (All-in), Hero folds, SB returned $1.28

Final Pot: $0.54

Showdown:
SB shows :qd4: :qc4:
Outcome: SB wins $0.52

This is where stats and reads would help. If this is a really tight player there's no way he has a 5 so you can fistpump call.

wait, it's a call anyway. shove the flop.
 
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holy shit jam that flop, you are burning money!!

(also you have trips, not a set)

LoL. You can see how uneducated I am. I always put a set/trips as the same 3 of a kind...what's a set? A full house?

By the way, how can I get value by shoving the flop for someone holding top pairs or two overs? If they hit an over on the turn or river I'm going to be hitting a bigger pot.

By the way...you telling me when he shoves the turn he hasn't got a fullhouse? I'm sure he's on 5's full, might be split pot with 3's full but we both would be losing money with rake lol.

Surely someone isn't going to bluff a turn card like that when I've bet out already ? Surely?
 
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