$2 NLHE 6-max: Flopped quads - get value but how is best?

fletchdad

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One SS fish, and the other guy did not seem stupidly spewy.

I hope for an A. I will leave my flop play. I figured any underpair is folding to a cbet, and an A is staying OTT, and maybe I can let someone improve, so I checked the flop.

poker stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2885182
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BB: $0.60 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, hands: 30
Hero (UTG): $3.43 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 255934
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 32
CO: $2.11 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 18
BTN: $2.10 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 16, AF: 1.8, Hands: 124
SB: $0.83 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 61

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q :diamond: Q :heart:
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) Q :club: A :diamond: Q :spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.19) 9 :heart: (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, Hero ?

I cant really raise here, can I? Or should I?
 
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Just bet the flop, there's top pair and KJ type hands to get value from.
 
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Doesn't a bet potentially say you have potentially an A or K or are just trying to take the pot down. I'd say just call down. A bet will fold out anything that isn't an A or poket pairs right? Calling down and betting the river for value seems like the only way to get the others guy comfortable with putting any money at all into the pot.
 
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Probably betting the flop too. This is why I don't like flopping quads with big hands - people seem to shut down quite often. Almost no chance of MP betting if you look at his AF (I guess it's only 30 hands), but I'd just bet. Occasionally you'll get paid off.
 
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I don't mind the check on the flop but you can't raise the river. You got exactly what you wanted there, and you want them to hit their river...unless it's an A and they are slow-playing AA...

Raising there kills any hope of more money. Flat call and hope BB bets again...
 
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You realize if we don't bet the flop or raise the turn, we pretty much have no hope of getting all the money in?
 
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Here is the turn. I was hoping MP would sense weakness and try to bully, and I am thinking here was my biggest mistake by not raising. Thoughts?

Thanks for all the input!

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2885556
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BB: $0.60 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 30
Hero (UTG): $3.43 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 259035
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 32
CO: $2.11 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 18
BTN: $2.10 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 16, AF: 1.8, Hands: 124
SB: $0.83 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 61

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q :diamond: Q :heart:
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) Q :club: A :diamond: Q :spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.19) 9 :heart: (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, MP calls $0.06
 
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Bet flop, bet turn, bet river. You want to get as much value as possible from sticky Ax hands and gutshots.

Ask yourself this: if a villain has a hand like KJ, the river comes a T (completing their straight) and you bet 30c into a 40c pot, do you expect them to raise you or just flat-call you? If the latter, then you definitely want to build up the pot on earlier streets.
 
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Here is the turn. I was hoping MP would sense weakness and try to bully, and I am thinking here was my biggest mistake by not raising. Thoughts?

Thanks for all the input!

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2885556
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $0.60 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 30
Hero (UTG): $3.43 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 259035
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 32
CO: $2.11 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 18
BTN: $2.10 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 16, AF: 1.8, Hands: 124
SB: $0.83 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 61

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q <font color='red'>♦</font> Q <font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) Q <font color='black'>♣</font> A <font color='red'>♦</font> Q <font color='black'>♠</font> (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.19) 9 <font color='red'>♥</font> (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, MP calls $0.06

So what was the river? How did this turn out??
 
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You're in the pot with 30bb shortstack who is 99% fish and a guy with ~20 vpip/pfr gap and af of .3. Do you think that slowplay is the best decision here? bet flop bet turn, bet river, there are so many hands that will call at least 2 streets there maybe third too, if they dont have it they will fold and wont bet much so not much value can be extracted by slowplaying imo
 
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For those who want to bet the flop:
What is your bet size?
(pot is .19)

Thx
 
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Half pot would be ok imo, keeps all the aces and draws in...
 
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50 % bet flop , check turn , bet river
your line must look to steal the pot
 
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Complete hand. Too bad the 9 was not a club...

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2888903
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BB: $0.60 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 30
Hero (UTG): $3.43
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 32
CO: $2.11 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 18
BTN: $2.10 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 16, AF: 1.8, Hands: 124
SB: $0.83 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 61

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q :diamond: Q :heart:
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) Q :club: A :diamond: Q :spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.19) 9 :heart: (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, MP calls $0.06

River: ($0.37) 3 :club: (3 players)
BB bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.20, BB folds

Final Pot: $0.83
Hero shows Q :diamond: Q :heart:
MP mucks 9 :club: A :club:
Hero wins $0.80
(Rake: $0.03)
 
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as played Probably worth a bigger raise on the river.
 
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if you know he is a fish, bet,bet,bet best decision i think, even all-in on river probably get call.
 
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People are going to have so many bad Ax and KJ hands at these stakes I think betting flop like 30-50% pot is optimal. Along with 50% turn and 50% river too. Milk the fish.
 
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I think a bigger raise was in order on the river, especially with the BB kicking around. He played that horribly...calling station the whole way and thought his A9 was good....

I think you played that fine otherwise. Again I'm ok with the check on the flop as I think you actually may have got the BB to throw more money in. Hard to know how much the A9 would of called down but at least you got something for your quads
 
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