$2 NLHE 6-max: Flopped OESD, Shove on Turn?

I think pre-flop here is pretty standard.

My initial c-bet is just my usual c-bet size. Perhaps I should have just called villains flop raise instead of re-raising myself? At the time I felt he was often just testing me and I expected that my raising him again would shut him down most time. It didn't.

When the turn fell a deuce, shoving the rest of my stack in the middle was the only reasonable option I felt I had if I was to fight for the pot. My thinking was that he folds all missed broadway type hands, and even an overpair from time to time.

And I do have decent equity if called. I figure I'm winning this hand on the river close to 25% of the time vs an overpair or top pair type hand.

Checking lets him bet out and forces me to consider abandoning my equity.

Are there flaws in my reasoning?


PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.5 BB
SB: 141 BB
BB: 135.5 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB
MP: 34 BB
Hero (CO): 103.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♣ 7♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦ 6♠ 8♥
Hero bets 3 BB, BTN raises to 16 BB, Hero raises to 34 BB, BTN calls 18 BB

Turn: (75.5 BB, 2 players) 2♣
Hero bets 66.5 BB and is all-in

you shouldn't 3bet the flop ,just flat the raise and play the turn.Stacks aren't as such that you can shove the flop and gii so just call.The turns just bad it's spewy and never getting called by wore hands.

At'least i don't think you can shove the flop given the spr that seems bad to me,perhaps others will think other wise.But i don't like 3betting the flop for anything other than a shove with your hand,and i don't think a shove would be good given the spr.

MettaGame said:

you shouldn't 3bet the flop ,just flat the raise and play the turn.Stacks aren't as such that you can shove the flop and gii so just call.The turns just bad it's spewy and never getting called by wore hands.

At'least i don't think you can shove the flop given the spr that seems bad to me,perhaps others will think other wise.But i don't like 3betting the flop for anything other than a shove with your hand,and i don't think a shove would be good given the spr.

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I think I agree with you on all this. I was aware even in the moment that I wasn't gonna get called with worse on the turn. My thinking was I would get folds some of the time, and had equity if called. But looking at it now I can't think of too many combos that play the flop that way that will fold the turn. Not enough anyway.

The thing is if you think villain has enough bluffs on the turn check/calling makes much more sense.By leading the turn you just fold out the bluff part of villains range.And you don't even really beat much of villains semi bluffing range that can include hands like 98 perhaps 99 .And your blocking any 7x draws villain has for hands like 76.

I think calling the flop vs the raise is the best line though with the intention of maybe jamming some turns as a semi bluff depending on villains bet sizing.Although i don't really think big bluffs are necessary at these stakes where your fold equity is really very minimal vs aggressive lines.

Your flop raise gets read of any bluff he might have. It sucks that you are oop but still just call, also any 4 or 9 makes a 4card straight on board and it's hard to get payed even if you hit and his flop raise is really big (your is too small so he might just want to compensate for that and get it in). So would fold turn and even consider to fold to his raise on flop.

Gohaku94 said:

Your flop raise gets read of any bluff he might have. It sucks that you are oop but still just call, also any 4 or 9 makes a 4card straight on board and it's hard to get payed even if you hit and his flop raise is really big (your is too small so he might just want to compensate for that and get it in). So would fold turn and even consider to fold to his raise on flop.

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If my calculations are accurate, I am getting pot odds (about 33%) to call the initial flop raise vs. all possible sets, overpairs, and top pair hands. And I'm not factoring in any possible bluffs. It's close, but I'm getting them. I agree that I should have just called, but I don't think folding flop with 36% equity here is great?

Even on the turn my equity falls, but only to 25%. So that's not an instant fold, even if I had checked to villain instead of jamming. Would depend on his turn sizing, if he bets out at all.

Or am I missing something?

MettaGame said:

The thing is if you think villain has enough bluffs on the turn check/calling makes much more sense.By leading the turn you just fold out the bluff part of villains range.And you don't even really beat much of villains semi bluffing range that can include hands like 98 perhaps 99 .And your blocking any 7x draws villain has for hands like 76.

I think calling the flop vs the raise is the best line though with the intention of maybe jamming some turns as a semi bluff depending on villains bet sizing.Although i don't really think big bluffs are necessary at these stakes where your fold equity is really very minimal vs aggressive lines.

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This all makes sense to me. Thanks.