$2 NLHE 6-max: Flop, Turn, River analysis - solution provided

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K. Different take. Villain hole cards and final action provided. Could you extract more value from this player? If so how? Villain AF is infinite.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 18.42, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 79)
SB: 130 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 62)
Hero (BB): 76 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 10.40, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 130)
MP: 295.5 BB (VPIP: 21.55, PFR: 18.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.37, Hands: 529)
CO: 102 BB (VPIP: 17.88, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 185)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) J Q 2
Hero checks, UTG bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 8 BB, UTG calls 8 BB

Hero shows Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Twos)
(Pre 85%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
UTG mucks J T (Two Pair, Jacks and Twos)
(Pre 15%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 31.5 BB
 
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I. ON the flop hero has big hand, thus we would like to raise.
II. The flop is very wet, thus we would like to get money in because a) he might have a draw b) he might think hero has a draw.
III. Our goal is to get stacks in

So we have 3 reasons to raise flop CB. And yes he probably would have folded in this case (you won 8bb extra), some other cases you would have gotten his whole stack (you won 58bb extra). When we are IP not raising his CB is more valid, because then we can bet turn if he fails to bet turn.

As played with no CB raise, it was all good imo. Even though if he calls 8bb he probably would call 10bb too.

Given villain is total nit, we can't assume too much from AF because a) he mostly has a good hand thus he is agressive b) when he has nothing he just folds. a) and b) combined makes super high AF.
 
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Thanks braveslice. It was really awesome of you to list those 3 points. Point 3 is something I keep missing out and hence losing a lot of value.

About the AF: Yep he's a super fit/fold type. I was constantly scared of driving him away from the pot if I'd hinted at the slightest of having hit the flop.

Pre I definitely missed out on value. Could've re-raised and played the same line extracting more value. I figure a check/call on the flop might even help me rep an AK float, making him more aggressive on turn. Being a TAG myself he'd probably figure I'd have almost no chance 3betting Qx types from an EP raise.
 
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I think you played it pretty good.
He is pretty nitty and utg so QQ might not be good enough to 3-bet a utg guy.
I would bet bigger on the river, your bet is under half pot, id go for 60% or so.. anyway because you are oop you probably couldn't extract more. Call on flop is good unless You think he is only playing KK and AA preflop from utg.
 
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I think you played it pretty good.
He is pretty nitty and utg so QQ might not be good enough to 3-bet a utg guy.
I would bet bigger on the river, your bet is under half pot, id go for 60% or so.. anyway because you are oop you probably couldn't extract more. Call on flop is good unless You think he is only playing KK and AA preflop from utg.

Thanks. I will try it out. I was scared of betting higher because he's a proper nit. A good fit/fold type.

The more I think about it the more I realise a 3b pre would've really helped. I would call a 4b and assess it from there.
 
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I agree. I like raising the flop both for value and protection. If villain is on AK or 89, you gave them a free card. In this case, you would probably get a fold and lose out on 8BB, but AA, KK, JJ, AK, AQ, KQ, QJs, 89s are all in villains open raising range and will give you value. Bet the turn hoping to get stacks in.

You probably didn't lose any value here, but in the long run, I think you do.
 
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I agree. I like raising the flop both for value and protection. If villain is on AK or 89, you gave them a free card. In this case, you would probably get a fold and lose out on 8BB, but AA, KK, JJ, AK, AQ, KQ, QJs, 89s are all in villains open raising range and will give you value. Bet the turn hoping to get stacks in.

You probably didn't lose any value here, but in the long run, I think you do.

True, though I played this opponent well I agree I lose out on value on the long run because I play a very trappy style and don't tend to C-bet the best hand on the flop.
 
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I think that "trappy style" is best used on LAG's that will hang themselves. Against a nit, you have to put the money in the pot and hope they are strong enough to call. My opinion anyway.
 
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I think that "trappy style" is best used on LAG's that will hang themselves. Against a nit, you have to put the money in the pot and hope they are strong enough to call. My opinion anyway.

You're spot on. I only realised this a a few hours earlier while analysing this hand. Because I'm facing a lot of maniacs and LAGs I've adopted it and have a difficult time switching it against other player types.
 
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Everything braveslice said, plus 3bet pre.

Villain has position on you, and like has a strong range. I doubt he'll fold to your 3bet very often.
 
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