$2 NLHE 6-max: Flop top 2 vs TAG call down 121bbs?

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Hey guys, this is my first cash hand I've posted. I've been playing tourneys for 7+ years but just started dabbling in cash and I still feel like a bit of a rookie in some cash situations, like the one below.

There is some meta-game going on with villain. The 2 of us had been running over the table (mostly me) and he had been 3betting me quite often (his 13% 3bet % is mostly against me), and I had recently been 4betting in response and he had folded to a couple of my 4bets. So I felt this time, when he 3bet me he was expecting me to 4bet and that was why I just flatted preflop. anyways, here is the hand:





Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 69.5 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 22.92, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, hands: 104)
BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 11.39, PFR: 10.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 79)
Hero (UTG): 196.5 BB
MP: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 144.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 26)
BTN: 121 BB (VPIP: 17.79, PFR: 15.02, 3Bet Preflop: 13.92, Hands: 258)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ks
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 10 BB

Flop : (27.5 BB, 2 players) 6h Ac Kh
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn : (27.5 BB, 2 players) 7h
Hero bets 13 BB, BTN raises to 39 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

River : (105.5 BB, 2 players) 7d
Hero checks, BTN bets 69 BB and is all-in, Hero??
 
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also I should say that he tended to always inflate pots whenever he entered them, so his large bet sizing was not inconsistent with his previous play.

For example, this player's standard opening raise was 7x and his standard 3bet was 3.5-4x the previous raise. He also tended to bet 3/4 pot or pot size on flop and turn. I hadn't seen him reach too many rivers to know much about his river sizing.
 
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I am not cash player and i love tourney's :)

So do not take my advise as must be!

As played: I really do not see the worst hand in his range which could stack off river - so for me river is clear fold!

But i love the idea of re-jamming for value preflop imo.

I hope some regular would comment this one :)
 
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I would fold on the river. Villain will have us beat here most times as played.

I think villain either has :ah4::kh4: or :ac4::as4: .
 
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suby_rafael said:
I would fold on the river. Villain will have us beat here most times as played.

I think villain either has :ah4::kh4: or :ac4::as4: .
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Are you on drugs??? :)

He's on the button.. His 3betting % is really high.

They both checked the flop...

Our villain will turn up with a 7 most times rather than AA or AK.... Anyways apart from that response lets move on.
 
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missjacki said:
Hey guys, this is my first cash hand I've posted. I've been playing tourneys for 7+ years but just started dabbling in cash and I still feel like a bit of a rookie in some cash situations, like the one below.

There is some meta-game going on with villain. The 2 of us had been running over the table (mostly me) and he had been 3betting me quite often (his 13% 3bet % is mostly against me), and I had recently been 4betting in response and he had folded to a couple of my 4bets. So I felt this time, when he 3bet me he was expecting me to 4bet and that was why I just flatted preflop. anyways, here is the hand:





Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 69.5 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 22.92, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 104)
BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 11.39, PFR: 10.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 79)
Hero (UTG): 196.5 BB
MP: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 144.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 26)
BTN: 121 BB (VPIP: 17.79, PFR: 15.02, 3Bet Preflop: 13.92, Hands: 258)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ks
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 10 BB

Flop : (27.5 BB, 2 players) 6h Ac Kh
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn : (27.5 BB, 2 players) 7h
Hero bets 13 BB, BTN raises to 39 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

River : (105.5 BB, 2 players) 7d
Hero checks, BTN bets 69 BB and is all-in, Hero??
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You could've 4bet pre. Our opponent has a wide range where he likes to 3bet. Check his 3betting stats and vpip range with each position.

We should've bet the flop 3/4 we got 2 pair... Any medium+ A will pay and flush draws will pay and people who love to call like this guy will call with any pocket pair.

Bet the turn and if he gets fancy... shove.
 
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Yeah the heart draw on the flop is too dangerous to give a free card too especially the Ace hearts is missing. you must bet this sort of flop and I mean not just to charge the draws but to get value from all sorts of weaker Ax or Kx hands.
Id be betting this flop 80% pot minimum. Think about your sizing here and how much you would call here with say AQ.
At 2nl you make your money from strong value betting. Slow playing here is not good we have no need to pot control a hand this strong.
At 2nl bluff raising the turn and bluff shoving the river just doesn't happen. Most players are newbies just learning the game who have no concept of such moves. You have to assume this is the nuts and I would fold the river here. As he 3bet pre Id expect to see Ace of hearts with another heart 8+. Obviously not the K (suby !) He seems half decent here and played the hand well whatever he held. The problem is could he be doing this thinking its for value because you checked the flop. If you play passive like this that is a danger and you might need to widen your river calling range to balance.
Part of the pot inflation betting he is using is something to consider yourself when playing these stakes seems like good play to me for extra value.
 
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