$2 NLHE 6-max: Flop Flush Draw, Call Down With Odds, Finishing Action?

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Here's a hand from this evening where I had a nice looking flop but the finish is something I am interested in getting some feedback on.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 27.63, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, hands: 76)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
CO: 161.5 BB (VPIP: 53.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.28, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 299)
SB: 103 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 28.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 91)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: J:spade:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 7:spade: 6:spade: Q:spade:
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (32.5 BB, 2 players) K:club:
BB bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB

River: (63.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
BB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

I start with a standard raise, and call down because I think my odds are pretty good, pretty much what I would consider standard mathematical poker (correct me if I'm wrong I figure getting 3:1 odds was good on flush draws for 2 outs left. A little confused as to how to play a flush draw when the turn blanks and you are facing a bet. I mean don't you have like a 1 in 5 chance of hitting? if anyone has a flush draw primer, I'd love to read it thanks!) anyway I call down to the river and complete my flush. I'm thinking at this point, with yet another lead out, that my opponent easily has a spade, but queens are easily in his range and I had originally thought he had one in hand with his donk bet. I also am wary of A or K of spades, which has me beat, or any other 2 spades, which I have dominated. No matter what, I have to worry about a reraise if I raise, as 3 streets of betting tells me he's pretty confidant, and it wasn't going on much at the table.

Results
BB shows A:heart: Q:heart: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 75%, Flop 63%, Turn 73%)
Hero shows A:diamond: J:spade: (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 37%, Turn 27%)
Hero wins 117.5 BB

2 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

My Thoughts
I want to say I played this alright but I am wondering how often this is just a straight up raise following the river bet. I'm almost positive he has at least one spade here and it's easily A or K with a paired card alson in hand. Is the check call a solid choice here? I have just started trying them out and this was a solid spot for me to put it into play. It worked out great, and I think a bet would have put weaker hands out and stranger hands would have bet again, so the check call avoids the hairy situation where he has a worse hand and repops thinking I'm bluffing. I also think if he did have 2 low connected spades he's folding those as well if he has some sense, anyway enough of my rambling is my check call on the river looking like the best play here?
 
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Tough one

Here's a hand from this evening where I had a nice looking flop but the finish is something I am interested in getting some feedback on.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 27.63, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 76)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
CO: 161.5 BB (VPIP: 53.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.28, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 299)
SB: 103 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 28.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 91)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font>

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 6<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (32.5 BB, 2 players) K<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB

River: (63.5 BB, 2 players) T<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

I start with a standard raise, and call down because I think my odds are pretty good, pretty much what I would consider standard mathematical poker (correct me if I'm wrong I figure getting 3:1 odds was good on flush draws for 2 outs left. A little confused as to how to play a flush draw when the turn blanks and you are facing a bet. I mean don't you have like a 1 in 5 chance of hitting? if anyone has a flush draw primer, I'd love to read it thanks!) anyway I call down to the river and complete my flush. I'm thinking at this point, with yet another lead out, that my opponent easily has a spade, but queens are easily in his range and I had originally thought he had one in hand with his donk bet. I also am wary of A or K of spades, which has me beat, or any other 2 spades, which I have dominated. No matter what, I have to worry about a reraise if I raise, as 3 streets of betting tells me he's pretty confidant, and it wasn't going on much at the table.

Results
BB shows A<font color='red'>♥</font> Q<font color='red'>♥</font> (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 75%, Flop 63%, Turn 73%)
Hero shows A<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font> (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 37%, Turn 27%)
Hero wins 117.5 BB

2 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

My Thoughts
I want to say I played this alright but I am wondering how often this is just a straight up raise following the river bet. I'm almost positive he has at least one spade here and it's easily A or K with a paired card alson in hand. Is the check call a solid choice here? I have just started trying them out and this was a solid spot for me to put it into play. It worked out great, and I think a bet would have put weaker hands out and stranger hands would have bet again, so the check call avoids the hairy situation where he has a worse hand and repops thinking I'm bluffing. I also think if he did have 2 low connected spades he's folding those as well if he has some sense, anyway enough of my rambling is my check call on the river looking like the best play here?


Me personally - I have a 50/50 chance of calling. I usually use other data to help me make my choice - how many spots pay, where am I in the ranking of things, how has that player played in other hands, etc.

Sometimes for me it is not only about my cards, but at the same time two cards could get you out. He played strong so you know he has high cards, but the suits are not there (which off course you don't know at the time).

Great play from my perspective as you played safe and got information about that player for future hands.
 
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Forgot to mention the turn gave me a straight draw as well, not sure if that would be a good thing though given that a straight could bait me into calling his flush.

@Cupcake This is actually a cash game, but your input is appreciated thanks!
 
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I am at the moment trying to get my range estimation better.

He seems to have a high 3bet but you are UTG, so I am assuming his 3bet range will be tighter. I dont see him 3betting 6 or 7 so JJ+ and AKs, maybe AKo, perhaps AQs, and I dont know how he sees you, but that would factor in as well. Since he is 3betting you, do you have any idea how he sees you 3bet calling rang/4 bet range?

So, AA-QQ all make sense here, especially if one is a Xs. Your equity in the hand vs JJ+, AQs+ AKo sucks OTF and OTR, but you jump up - vs the entire range - OTR to a 3:1 fave, However, how much is he betting this range OTR?

Do you have a cbet stat? Cause (I havent looked at the spoiler) I would be tempted to fold OTR. You are a pretty big dog, and I am not sure a FD getting there OTR is gonna be all that good for you...

Am I to nitty?
 
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I feel like if you call the turn in this spot, you have to call the river for the odds you are being given.
 
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4-bet pre. Fold the flop as played.
 
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AJo UTG against a 3 bet from BB is a fold. Yes villains 3bet % is high but you really have no hands on them so this doesn't really mean anything.

As played why didn't you raise the river?
 
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Preflop is fine, meh. However, I must note we could be dominated, but I don't mind the call. At least we have position.

Flop, floating is ok here, but we are drawing to 3rd nuts. So even if we make our hand, how good do we feel getting played back at with 4 spades on board?


As far as I'm concerned, we float flop, fold turn. We could argue a nitty fold preflop, but I don't know about that...

Edit: I forgot to add, we don't seem to have any implied odds here. V is never paying us when we hit, if he has no flush. So that being said, I would figure it based purely on pot odds. Turn is slightly over 3:1, so this is close, but still a fold.
 
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Ok. Just checked the spoiler. WTF. This dude's kinda dumb.


Edit: regarding your thoughts...

We could put a small raise in OTR, and fold to a 3b. V might just spite call us with worse. But if we get RR, we have to fold. However, considering stack sizes, I think a c/c is ok.
 
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