$2 NLHE 6-max: Feel rusty, thoughts on these marginal spots please

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Okay, i have been doing exams and have not had time to play for the last few months. So i come back and decide to play some 2nl zoom just to see how things were. I felt rusty but after a couple of hours started to make some money again.

Had a couple of marginal spots which i thought may be a little too high variance and wondered what you guys thought of them. Thanks

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poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2526216
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BTN: $2.96
SB: $3.61
BB: $2.80
Hero (UTG): $5.62
MP: $2.09
CO: $2.08

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with 9 :spade: 9 :heart:
Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42) 8 :diamond: A :spade: 2 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $0.21, Hero calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.84) 3 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $0.36, Hero raises to $0.97, SB calls $0.61

River: ($2.78) 6 :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.06, SB folds
 
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I would 3-bet the flop and see what he does. If he instacalls you know he has the Ace and you can just check/fold to the river safely.
 
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Stats? How can we comment without stats? VPIP/PFR/AF/3bet
 
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Did you have some sort of read here that he doesnt have an ace?
Basically your massive aggression just blew him off the pot. This is pretty high variance stuff that you can try in zoom (and is exactly why I dont play it by the way.)
If he does have a decent ace and as he three bet you there must be a chance of it, I cant see how you do or dont know, so its seems kinda spewy.
 
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First of all no stats, don't currently have a HUD and no notes as have only played a few hundred hands since i have returned. It was his turn bet that seemed weak, less then half pot. (could be to induce but i cant see that happening a high % of the time). His range pre = AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ, so is my call pre poor?? then flop his range is exactly the same, standard villian is cbet a high % after 3 bet. Turn is where i think his range shifts more towards KK,QQ,JJ due to the small bet that i perceived as weak, wouldn't he bet more and try to get value?? . He calls getting nearly 4-1 .... River if we see showdown i lose, Therefore by betting big i try to make him fold AJ maybe AQ and KK QQ JJ. Although i still agree high variance. Any comments on this thought process?
 
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There was a discussion about 4 betting 99 in the polished poker thread recently after John A posted a similar scenario.
Re the hand, you did what you had to to win the hand bearing in mind you are behind most of his range the whole way. It helped being deeper stacked to create the extra leverage but with it being 2nl my experince is that a lot of calling stations with an ace will call you down if its just 100bb.
 
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jackaoliver said:
First of all no stats, don't currently have a HUD and no notes as have only played a few hundred hands since i have returned. It was his turn bet that seemed weak, less then half pot. (could be to induce but i cant see that happening a high % of the time). His range pre = AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ, so is my call pre poor?? then flop his range is exactly the same, standard villian is cbet a high % after 3 bet. Turn is where i think his range shifts more towards KK,QQ,JJ due to the small bet that i perceived as weak, wouldn't he bet more and try to get value?? . He calls getting nearly 4-1 .... River if we see showdown i lose, Therefore by betting big i try to make him fold AJ maybe AQ and KK QQ JJ. Although i still agree high variance. Any comments on this thought process?
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I understand the thought process but I don't necessarily agree with it. Throughout the hand you put him on a range that was beating you, yet you continued to put money in the pot. Granted you were able to push him off, but that isn't likely to happen a lot. I think your aggression won the hand, but I would be less inclined to try to push someone off a hand that beats me l. Especially at these levels, many people can't let a hand go.
 
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jackaoliver said:
First of all no stats, don't currently have a HUD and no notes as have only played a few hundred hands since i have returned. It was his turn bet that seemed weak, less then half pot. (could be to induce but i cant see that happening a high % of the time). His range pre = AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ, so is my call pre poor?? then flop his range is exactly the same, standard villian is cbet a high % after 3 bet. Turn is where i think his range shifts more towards KK,QQ,JJ due to the small bet that i perceived as weak, wouldn't he bet more and try to get value?? . He calls getting nearly 4-1 .... River if we see showdown i lose, Therefore by betting big i try to make him fold AJ maybe AQ and KK QQ JJ. Although i still agree high variance. Any comments on this thought process?
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Keep in mind that at 2NL you do not have too much fold equity. Also you have to keep in mind that most 3-bet combinations at 2NL include AK,AQ, AA. / KK,QQ, JJ are just a small part of their range. So most of the time they have the A.
 
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set mining is fine pre flop because you're deep enough, fold the flop because he just 3bet an UTG raise OOP and his range has us absolutely crushed.
 
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rw11687 said:
I understand the thought process but I don't necessarily agree with it. Throughout the hand you put him on a range that was beating you, yet you continued to put money in the pot. Granted you were able to push him off, but that isn't likely to happen a lot. I think your aggression won the hand, but I would be less inclined to try to push someone off a hand that beats me l. Especially at these levels, many people can't let a hand go.
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i thank you for your opinion but do not agree, if the best hand should always win as you were implying the level of profitability in poker would fall dramatically.

I do agree now though that a fold on the flop would of probably of been the best play and maybe i need to adjust my game to fold out a lot of small pp post flop if they miss.

Cheers for your thoughts everyone
 
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I just thought your move is a shark move.

I thought he has Ax and worried about his kicker.

But again, mostly at 2nl zoom, its hard to bluff people out and every time someone fights, he often has a decent hand.
 
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If you didn't have any stats on your opponent (i.e., real reasons to make this play) then this is just fancy play syndrome where you happened to have guessed right this time. This is not winning poker.
 
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That flop just nails your opponents range, I probably would have folded the flop honestly and especially the turn...
 
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