$2 NLHE 6-max: BB AQs on 3bet pot vs nit and fish

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1.58
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $1.50
MP: $2.75 15/3 150 hands but very little history.
CO: $0.68
BTN: $0.66 92/46 very fishy though despite the very small sample.

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q:club: A:club:

UTG raises to $0.04, MP raises to $0.18, fold, BTN calls $0.18, fold, Hero calls $0.16, fold

My plan was to 3bet this from BB when I saw EP raise but then MP 3bets. Since he his a nit, I'm not totally happy with 3betting but I can't fold this.

Flop: ($0.59, 3 players) Q:spade: 8:club: 5:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets $0.42, BTN calls $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

I flop TPTK and backdoor FD. Check to raiser that cbets. I hover his cbet% and it's 2/7... now I'm worried. Am I chopping or behind? Not ahead I think but can I let go TPTK on a 3bet pot? No point in raising I guess.

Turn: ($1.85, 3 players) 3:club:
Hero checks, MP bets $1.40, BTN calls $0.06 and is all-in, Hero ???

And now I have TPTK and a FD. Nit puts me all-in. Fish called (duh!) so I'm in a really tough spot hating my PF call. I stoved his range (AA KK JJ TT AK AQ removed QQ because it is unlikely that he has it) against my hand and this flop and I'm 45.5% dog and I have to pay 41.8% so it's a call.

But I can't take out of my head that I should have played it differently PF and that flopping TPTK made my life more difficult.

Would appreciate thoughts about this type of situation, AKs AQs from the blinds in 3bet pots vs nits and regs. Thanks! :)
 
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Nit 3-betting UTG, AQs is a pretty easy fold pre.

As played, not much you can do.
 
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I doubt his range changes with position I admit. I think it's pretty static, nevertheless, a nit!

Nit 3-betting UTG, AQs is a pretty easy fold pre.

Is it just a matter of range or would it be any different if I had position on him?
 
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Nits respect UTG. This guy doesn't even raise AQ pre, his 3-betting range is probably QQ+.

In this hand you probably need him to make top set and the flop to come KJT to win money. Unless you seen him do really spewy things postflop, like shove QQ into an A-high flop, I'd just fold after this action from any position. You can flat AK probably.

FWIW, I wouldn't take out QQ from his range. If you use Pokerstove it only gives him the combos he can actually have, so on this board vs. your hand he'll have 1 combo of QQ and 9 combos of KK+.
 
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Nit 3-betting UTG, AQs is a pretty easy fold pre.

As played, not much you can do.
Yep, when you get to the turn, and you have a monster in a 3-bet pot, and you're STILL thinking about folding, it should be obvious that calling UTG is bad.
 
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baudib1 said:
Nits respect UTG. This guy doesn't even raise AQ pre, his 3-betting range is probably QQ+.

In this hand you probably need him to make top set and the flop to come KJT to win money. Unless you seen him do really spewy things postflop, like shove QQ into an A-high flop, I'd just fold after this action from any position. You can flat AK probably.

FWIW, I wouldn't take out QQ from his range. If you use Pokerstove it only gives him the combos he can actually have, so on this board vs. your hand he'll have 1 combo of QQ and 9 combos of KK+.

Thanks.

About the UTG respect, I don't see him that solid. Doesn't auto-reload, has weird lines like shoving flops where he has initiative. I don't think I ever saw a showdown with him though with the exception of this one (yep I called).

I posted this hand with the notion that my PF flat was a mistake that I only was aware of by the turn.

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Yep, when you get to the turn, and you have a monster in a 3-bet pot, and you're STILL thinking about folding, it should be obvious that calling UTG is bad.

Yeah! That pretty much sums it up nicely.
 
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you can actually exploit nits by not paying them off and folding ridiculous hands, because nits are hilarious.

Here's how you play this guy:
Steal his blinds, fold hands like AQ (and better) when he 3-bets. Set-mine with deep stacks when he raises.

Don't call his 3-bets, don't isolate him when he limps (his limping range is stronger than your raising range).

The problem with your original stove is he doesn't have AK/TT/JJ on the turn. He probably doesn't even raise those hands all the time and certainly doesn't 3-bet them or double barrel them on Q-high boards. He has KK.
 
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Damn... you're good. He has KK indeed.

I play nits for set-mining and blind stealing mostly as you say but I've been in situations like this where I ended up folding which is kinda miserable in a 3bet pot. I don't isolate their limps etc. It's the pots with post flop that get in the mix because, yes! I do call their raises with big aces. Better stop doing that to avoid difficult post flop decisions.

I didn't fold this time because I had the A over and the FD but it felt wrong! I was fortunate though and hit my flush.
 
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I'm not good, I just paid off this type of guy 10,000 times with AQ.

I always think it's more interesting to examine hands that you win.
 
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As played postflop, I think you can either call or fold the flop although if you fold the flop after hititng TPTK, you should fold pre since it would make no sense otherwise to call. I think you should have led out with a donk bet since you were first to act to at least see where you were and if nit reraises, you could fold sinc e you would be beating AK on this flop. The turn gave you extra outs to the nut flush but you only have about 18-20% or 1 out of five chances of making the hand. If you think you are truly beat, then you should fold since in cash you can always reload although it is sometimes necessary to make a crying call if villain is unknown.
 
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