$2 NLHE 6-max: AQ OOP

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Do we call simply call the short stacks all-in or do we raise here?

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NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
Hero ($3.47)
BB ($2.30)(VPIP: 33, PFR:21 , 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 106)
UTG ($1.52) (VPIP: 67, PFR: 24, 3Bet Preflop: 37.5, Hands: 22)
UTG+1 ($3.18) complete unknown
CO ($0.84)(VPIP: 71, PFR: 14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN ($0.30)(VPIP: 67, PFR: 33, 3Bet Preflop: 42.9, Hands: 20)

Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: A:spade:

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.04, BTN raises to $0.30 (AI), Hero??
 
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I think it is a fold. You are not doing well against any pocket pair or ak which can do this. Aq can call against 3-bets only IP against steals or aggressive 3-bettors with normal or deep stack imho
 
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Shove. You crush the shorties range and the rest of the action is most likely from small pairs and worse Ax hands. Getting the small pairs to fold is not a bad thing.
 
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20 hands is a very small sample to make judgements about the villain
 
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Shove. You crush the shorties range and the rest of the action is most likely from small pairs and worse Ax hands. Getting the small pairs to fold is not a bad thing.

Raise? Against other players?!! Isn't villain already all in with his 0.30 stack ?
 
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So the short stack is all in here then it is an easy call. We can raise here to prevent anyone else from calling so as to isolate if the player behind is a loose aggressive one then we should consider raising here so that he folds. Not folding at this spot for sure.
 
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Raise? Against other players?!! Isn't villain already all in with his 0.30 stack ?
Yes the shorty is all-in and when we shove the previous limper, min-raiser and caller are going to fold about 99% of the time leaving us HU seeing 5 cards against a range we crush. EZ money.
 
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I think to a 15x raise made by the villain pre flop i am not too inclined towards calling this raise out of position if AQ off suit. There are two ways for me to take here. Either fold or raise. Although more often than not i prefer folding here because of the hand (it is not my favourite). Only time i will raise if the villain i a very loose player and if we are ready to gamble.
Villain started the hand with 15bb. He's terrible. No further thought is required.
 
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Ya Hillbilly i saw that one late (villain's stack size) so edited my comment. :)
 
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After the comments seems clear that I should have raised. In this hand I flat called and wasn't sure if I liked this, now this happens. Where do we go from here?

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Hero ($3.47)
BB ($2.30)
UTG ($1.52)
UTG+1 ($3.18)
CO ($0.84)
BTN ($0.30)

Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: A:spade:

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.04, BTN raises to $0.30 (AI), Hero calls $0.29, fold, UTG calls $0.28, UTG+1 calls $0.26, CO raises to $0.84 (AI), Hero?
 
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I'm still shoving over. UTG and UTG+1's range are fairly capped at small pairs and worse Ax hands. CO likely has a the same since he only flatted the initial min raise. You can't flat and then fold any flop you miss, so it's shove or fold and there is zero chance I'm ever folding.
 
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I will agree that Raise or all-in on the 1st post is a good move.

2nd post after you called .30 and with 2 other callers and 1 AI I think your only choice is to shove. Fold is not an option for me in this position.
 
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I think it is a fold. You are not doing well against any pocket pair or ak which can do this. Aq can call against 3-bets only IP against steals or aggressive 3-bettors with normal or deep stack imho

Folding would be a very tight play here. My preference would be to shove to isolate the villain.
 
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Folding would be a very tight play here. My preference would be to shove to isolate the villain.

To be honest, I don't understand the logic of isolation here. If we don't won't to get it in against other players and shove we are heads up against villain and can"t win more money than is already in the pot. As to the villain - we are probably behind his short-stack shoving range - pocket pairs and ak. We only beat random stuff and AJ and worse... Why then?
 
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Falcon, folding would be atrocious. Pairs and AK (which we still have 40% against) is certainly not this players range for sticking in 15 blinds nor should it be. 20 hands is plenty with stats like this. Try playing as he did for 20 hands in a row with a 3bet in the mid 40s and you'll likely reconsider arbitrarily deciding that his range here is pocket pairs and AK.
 
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Should've raised preflop..
Now you can call, there is enough money in the pot anyways and AQ will be ahead of the CO's range half of the times.
 
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From the start, I fold.

We dont know what those early position players will do next.
 
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From the start, I fold.

We dont know what those early position players will do next.
Sure we do. No one in the hand has shown any real strength (we have a limp, a min raise, a flat call, and a 15bb shove). Folding here is fairly horrible. It's not even a close decision.
 
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easily a shove, no ones shown any strength in the hand, it's been played abysmally so far, BTNs range is pretty much ATC and we crush the rest of the players perceived range, everyone usually gets out of the way but even if we get called they're probably still getting it in with worse Ax/Qx type hands. Shove and don't look back!!
 
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I'm still shoving over. UTG and UTG+1's range are fairly capped at small pairs and worse Ax hands. CO likely has a the same since he only flatted the initial min raise. You can't flat and then fold any flop you miss, so it's shove or fold and there is zero chance I'm ever folding.

Even assinging 67 and 71 vpip's a range of Ax and small pairs is a tad generous.
 
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Even assinging 67 and 71 vpip's a range of Ax and small pairs is a tad generous.
You mean because it's actually much wider? If so I agree 100%. They're going to show up with lots of suited cards and random broadways.
 
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